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Saturday, May 23, 2009

When Government Sues Itself

In case you missed it, there seems to be a battle brewing between Mark Sanford and his own state legislature over the stimulus money that he initially rejected, but then agreed to accept. Volokh Conspiracy has the details:

Sanford had refused to accept the money unless the state pays off an equal amount of debt, something state lawmakers said they could not afford to do this year because the state has cut $1 billion from its budget. The budget, approved Wednesday, requires Sanford to accept the money within five days.

Lawmakers, the governor said, have overstepped their authority and tried to rewrite federal law.

But members of the GOP-controlled General Assembly said the Republican governor has lost the debate and it is time to move on. Otherwise, a July 1 deadline from the U.S. Department of Education means South Carolina could lose a portion of its stimulus money, they said.

Now, I could have been on board with Sanford refusing the money out of principle. But this just sounds like petty bickering and lawyering. There are several questions here, not the least of which is why he’s taking this to Federal court when it seems to be a state issue. It may be a sign of the times that when all else fails, you file a lawsuit. But Sanford was supposed to be smarter than this.

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 05/23/09 at 01:17 AM in Politics  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Friday, May 22, 2009

Here Come The Czars

As I have so often pointed out, Obama deserves a great deal of credit for reforming our foreign policy and at least attempting to reform our actions in the WOT. When it comes to domestic policy, not so much. Case in point: Katherine Mangu-Ward notes the Obama administration’s love of Russian royalty:

President Barack Obama is taking the practice of naming czars to new heights. As Foreign Policy points out, with the selection of “border czar” Alan Bersin, the Obama administration surpassed the Romanovs in its production of czars. It took those old Russkies 300 years to produce 18 czars. It took Obama less than 100 days.

A quick czar rundown reveals a motley crew. There’s Carol Browner, the “energy czar,” filling one of the older czar slots. It was first created by President Richard Nixon in 1973 as the Director of the Office of Energy Policy, which became the Federal Energy Administration, and joined the Cabinet as the Department of Energy in 1977. “Regulatory czar” Cass Sunstein will be heading up the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, but the readiness with which he was given the czar sobriquet suggests he’ll be bringing that obscure office into the spotlight. The “Guantanamo closure czar” is a “top level diplomatic position” to be occupied by Daniel Fried. His job is to travel around the world begging people to take back their own terrorists as the U.S. tries to close the terrorist detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. In theory, he’ll be a short-lived czar, since the whole job is supposed to be wrapped up a year from now—the Paul I of the Obama administration. Then there’s “urban czar” Adolfo Carrion, Jr., “faith-based czar” Joshua DuBois, “non-proliferation czar” Gary Samore, and “terrorism czar” John Brennan. White House science advisor John Holdren has been called the “weather czar.” This office is entirely separate from that of Van Jones, the “green czar.” Last, but not least, while the Surgeon General sports some impressive epaulets, it’s the Secretary of Health and Human Services, in this case Nancy-Ann DeParle, who usually gets the title “health czar.”

The czar is a perfect techocratic role—appealing to Obama, who has been much praised for “surrounding himself with smart people.” The appeal of the czar rests on the belief that if we could just figure out the right smart, competent, well-intentioned person to put charge, everything would go more smoothly. This is often true on a micro-level. Having someone in charge of a school field trip, or a division inside a large company is a good idea. But the bigger and more complex the problem, the less likely even the most impressive technocrat will be able to set things in order, especially since these czars lack the very thing that defined the Russian czars: total control over the lives of their subjects.

As Ward notes, these folks don’t actually have a great deal of influence or power-which begs the question of why they’re even needed in the first place.

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 05/22/09 at 07:34 PM in Politics  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Bush LIte-And That’s A Good Thing

David Brooks defends Obama:

In the first place, it is absurd to say this administration doesn’t take terrorism seriously. Obama has embraced the Afghan surge, a strategy that was brewing at the end of the Bush years. He has stepped up drone activity in Pakistan. He has promoted aggressive counterinsurgency fighters and racked up domestic anti-terror accomplishments.

As for the treatment of terror suspects, Jack Goldsmith has a definitive piece called “The Cheney Fallacy” online at The New Republic. He lists a broad range of policies — Guantánamo, habeas corpus, military commissions, rendition, interrogation and so on. He shows how, in most cases, the Obama policy represents a continuation of or a gradual evolution from the final Bush policy.

What Obama gets, and what President Bush never got, is that other people’s opinions matter. Goldsmith puts it well: “The main difference between the Obama and Bush administrations concerns not the substance of terrorism policy, but rather its packaging. The Bush administration shot itself in the foot time and time again, to the detriment of the legitimacy and efficacy of its policies, by indifference to process and presentation. The Obama administration, by contrast, is intensely focused on these issues.”

Obama has taken many of the same policies Bush ended up with, and he has made them credible to the country and the world. In his speech, Obama explained his decisions in a subtle and coherent way. He admitted that some problems are tough and allow no easy solution. He treated Americans as adults, and will have won their respect.

If he is indeed “Turning into Bush” as the liberals claim, then it is a smarter, more aware version of Bush, at least when it comes to foreign policy. In other words, he’s turning into what Bush should have been as President when it comes to prosecuting the war on terror. That’s good for the country and for the national dialogue. It’s not necessarily good for the Cheney cheerleaders who are pining for the “Good old days”.

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 05/22/09 at 07:20 PM in War on Terror/Axis of Evil  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Cheney was…right? Maybe a little.
by JimK

Look I’m not saying Dick Vader is a saint. Nor am I saying he’s right on anything else he spoke on in the past few days. Here’s what I am saying. Dick Cheney said that Obama and Co. were NOT thinking through the concept of closing Gitmo, that it was a campaign stunt and that this administration had no plan to move forward beyond this press posturing they are doing.

And who comes along to basically confirm that?  Joe “What the fuck did I just say” Biden:

So will Obama fulfill his vow - announced amid great fanfare in an executive order on day two of his presidency - to close the facility by January 2010? “I think so,” Biden responded, according to Newsweek’s Holly Bailey.

So perhaps he will. Or perhaps not. We’ll see.

Biden continued: “But, look, what the president said is that this is going to be hard. It’s like opening Pandora’s Box. We don’t know what’s inside the box.”

He also said that “to the best of my knowledge” the number of prisoners “who are a real danger who are not able to returned or tried” has “not been established” by the Obama administration.

So he basically just confirmed his predecessor Dick Cheney’s analysis that the decision was taken “with little deliberation, and no plan”.

Yeah, he did. Obama is still campaigning, and has been since literally the day he took office. He’s unable to do this job, and everyone who voted against him knew that. He’s a two-faced Chicago Democrat with corruption and duplicity in his soul. He is not one iota better than the last group of corrupt Republicans who ran things and who also had duplicity in their souls. Barack Obama has one specific talent: He can read a script in a moderately entertaining fashion.

He’s surrounded himself with incompetents who are running a campaign, not a country. Should Gitmo be closed?  I DON’T KNOW. I’m not aware enough of all the facts, and neither are a single one of any of you. What I do know is, if you’re going to change the rules of non-combatant detention and change the physical location of where you hold these people, you need to have a plan before you announce a date by which it will all be done.

Plan first, press conference second.  Anything else is campaigning, and it should not be tolerated by ANYONE, regardless of political affiliation.  It’s time the Obama administration stopped campaigning and started governing.

Posted by JimK on 05/22/09 at 12:58 PM in Politics  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Extrapolating Extinction

I love crap like this:

Men are on the road to extinction as their genes shrink and slowly fade away, a genetic expert warned today.

The researcher in human sex chromosomes said the male Y chromosome was dying and could one day run out.

However readers shouldn’t worry just yet - the change is not due to take place for another five million years.

Professor Jennifer Graves revealed the bleak future to medical students at a public lecture at the Royal College of Surgeons (RCSI) in Ireland.

But all is not lost. She said men may follow the path of a type of rodent which still manages to reproduce despite not having the vital genes that make up the Y chromosome.

‘You need a Y chromosome to be male,’ said Prof Graves.

‘Three hundred million years ago the Y chromosome had about 1,400 genes on it, and now it’s only got 45 left, so at this rate we’re going to run out of genes on the Y chromosome in about five million years.

There are so many things wrong with this, I don’t know where to begin.  I suspect some of my complaints are addressed in the actual scientific journal article, but I have only have the press to go on right now.

1) We don’t know that the devolution of the Y-chromosome has been linear (i.e., has it been a slow steady decline or did it decline suddenly).

2) There’s no mention of whether it has been observed to actually decline in human beings (we weren’t human three hundred million years ago).

3) There’s no accounting for any asymptote effect (i.e., will the decline level off once the gene shrinks to a certain level).

It’s one thing to extrapolate simple physical processes far in the future.  But to extrapolate the mating of six billion humans five million years into the future is something only a biologist could do.

Caveat: this press story may be an illustration of this phenomenon.  So take with helpings of your seasoning of choice.

Posted by Hal_10000 on 05/22/09 at 07:59 AM in Science and Technology  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Thoughts on The Rumble

My take on Cheney vs. Obama?  You can probably guess what I’m going to say.  Obama gave a pretty speech and said a lot that I wanted to hear.  But I’ve learned, the hard way, to judge him by his actions, not his words.  My days of going doe-eyed over a speech, as Sullivan did, are long since past.  Bush had his share of inspiring moments too.  His post-9/11 speech and his “I can hear you” moment at Ground Zero were incredible.  But it all ended in ruin.  I’m far more in line with the Greenwald quote WVR has below.  When Obama respond to Harry Reid’s foolishness or Newt’s ignorance, then I might be impressed.  I don’t get out of bed for speeches anymore.

But then I saw Cheney’s speech.  If Obama’s made me roll my eyes, Cheney’s made me angry.  I’ll admit that I’m not exactly objective about this—I don’t like past Presidents and VPs criticizing sitting Presidents.  I didn’t like it when Carter, Clinton and Gore pilloried Bush and I don’t like it now.  But it was worse than I could have imagined.  Cheney was entirely in rationalization mode, branding anyone who disagrees with him as a craven coward in the War on Terror.  Just to be clear, that list of cowards now includes men like Jesse Ventura, Colin Powell and John McCain; the JAGs and military lawyers who opposed indefinite detention; the soldiers who spoke out against the torture regime; the interrogators from past conflicts who have disputed the notion that torture gives actionable intelligence—all of whom have more honor and courage than Mr. “I can’t be drafted because I’m taking six years to finish college” Cheney.

He also showed himself to be a pathological liar.  He blasted people for making a connection between Abu Ghraib and Gitmo and still blames the former on “a few sadistic guards”.  This is a flat-out brass-bound bald-faced lie, as concluded by the Senate Armed Service Committee, as traced in the declassified memos.  Rumsfeld specifically put General Miller in charge of Abu Ghraib to—his words—“Gitmo-ize” it.

Cheney’s not stupid—he certainly knows that the truth about Abu Ghraib is out there.  The only reason to lie like that is to rally “the base”.  As a former member of the base, I’m insulted that he would think so little of me that he’ll scream “liberal” and expect me to jump.

To make matter worse, the masturbatory reaction to Obama’s speech from the left has been matched by an equally masturbatory reaction to Cheney’s speech from the right.  The latter I understand—Obama’s only been around a few months.  But getting worked up about Cheney?  Seriously?  I’m fine if someone wants to criticize Obama—I do it constantly.  But that does not mean that we should be lionizing our lying cowardly delusional former VP?  WVR posted a note below from Kirsanow claiming he would want Cheney in charge if an asteroid were coming to Earth.  Are you fucking kidding me?  Here’s the comment I put in that post:

If Dick Cheney were in charge of of taking care of an asteroid, I would expect him to follow his typical game plan:

1) Deny that there is an asteroid headed to earth and blame the liberal media for scaring the American public

2) Acknowledge that there is an asteroid but claim that it is the fault of the liberal Democrats that it is headed for Earth.  Claim there is nothing we can do about it because “stuff happens.”

3) Torture a bunch of astronomers to find out where the asteroid came from.

4) Fire a bunch of nuclear missiles at Mars to prevent this from ever happening again.

5) Go into his secret bunker and issue a press release telling Americans that they can handle this themselves.

Cheney is not a serious statesmen.  This is all game to him and, frankly, one I’m sick of playing.  His goal is to look tough, not to provide insight; to pillory the President, not to have a debate; to win the political moment, not to set the stage for a long-term revival of conservatism.  We do not need this man out there being the voice of the GOP.  In praising him, we are chaining ourselves to a stone and pitching it into the Mariana Tench.

We need to toss him back into that bunker that Vice President Dribble Mouth revealed the other day and throw away the key.  There are other voice—even pro-torture voices—that are better than his.

Posted by Hal_10000 on 05/22/09 at 07:13 AM in Politics  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Union v. Union

Oh, this is sweet:

Obama accused critics of his decision to give control of Chrysler to the United Auto Workers Union of being “speculators.” But it turns out that many of them are pension funds representing the interests of retirees, who are being fleeced to enrich the politically better-connected UAW.

“Indiana Treasurer Richard Mourdock revealed this week that his state’s police and teacher pension funds have lost millions of dollars in the Chrysler ‘restructuring.’ Indiana’s State Police Fund and Major Moves Construction Fund, which finances roads and bridges, together lost more than $1 million. And the Teacher’s Retirement Fund ’suffered, at a minimum, a loss of $4.6 million due to the action of the Federal government,’ reports Mr. Mourdock. Far from being speculators, these funds represent retired public employees, including cops and teachers. The funds paid a premium to buy ’secured’ status, only to discover that they were politically outranked by the United Auto Workers in the White House hierarchy. ‘In the past, to be secured meant an investor was first in line in the event of a bankruptcy and ‘non-secured’ creditors would receive value after secured-creditors were paid,’ Mr. Mourdock says. ‘In the Chrysler bankruptcy, however, secured creditors received $.29 on the dollar even as non-secured creditors [the UAW] received higher values and ended up with a 55% ownership of the new company, which is fundamentally wrong and a dangerous precedent to the capital markets.’”

The government is now doing the same thing at General Motors, giving much of the company’s stock (plus $10 billion in taxpayer dollars) to the UAW while refusing to make good on GM bonds, which were purchased by some people to put their kids through college (and by some non-union employees to help fund their own retirement).

When public-employee pension funds suffer, as they did at Chrysler, taxpayers do, too. Public employee pensions are already underfunded by perhaps a trillion dollars, and taxpayers will likely end up being forced to pay for any additional shortfalls through increased taxes.

There is, I believe, a lawsuit over this right now.  And much as I hate lawsuits, I’m in favor of the plaintiffs.  Obama is handling this like a bull handles fine China.

I suspect this will be resolved by the taxpayers bulking up the union pensions and letting all the other investors suck lemons.  So, in the end, we’ll get bent over by both sets of unions.

Posted by Hal_10000 on 05/22/09 at 06:59 AM in Politics  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Deep Wingnuttery

As if you needed any more evidence that Cheney’s defenders are basically a bunch of kooks, or at least becoming desperate in their attempts to defend the creepiest guy on the planet, here’s Peter Kirsanow at NRO:

It would be interesting to see the results of a more finely calibrated poll, one that compares how well-respected, competent, and effective the subject is perceived to be relative to similarly situated individuals. As a friend succinctly puts it, “When that big asteroid finally heads toward Earth, who’s the person you’d most want to be in charge?” I suspect Cheney would score at or near the top.

Er, somebody should tell this clown that Hollywood already did that. And it was the black President who saved the world, not the Veep (who was virtually nonexistent in the film). But I guess Cheney would at least start torturing the asteroid if blowing it up didn’t work.

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 05/22/09 at 01:25 AM in Right Wing Assholes  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

The Maverick Returns

Say what you will about John McCain, when he’s right, he’s right:

I asked him about Dick Cheney and his defense of Bush Administration torture policies. He told me of his fundamental disagreement with Cheney: “When you have a majority of Americans, seventy-something percent, saying we shouldn’t torture, then I’m not sure it helps for the Vice President to go out and continue to espouse that position,” he said. “But look, he’s free to talk. He’s a former Vice President of the United States. I just don’t see where it helps.”

And then he got acerbic: Cheney, he says, “believes that waterboarding doesn’t fall under the Geneva Conventions and that it’s not a form of torture. But you know, it goes back to the Spanish Inquisition.”

For you Cheney defenders out there, that’s from a guy who really does understand what torture is about. If he’d stuck to his original principles on this issue and not wasted his time with the Wonder from Wassila and her wingnut fans, he might be making the call on Guantanamo as President now-and calling Cheney out for the liar that he is.

Fred Kaplan offers his take here. He’s right-Cheney needs to go back to his bunker, or the equivalent rock he crawled out from under. His post-White House fifteen minutes are up.

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 05/22/09 at 01:02 AM in War on Terror/Axis of Evil  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Thursday, May 21, 2009

Pre-Memorial Day Weekend Late Night Movie Fest

To get you ready for the weekend, and with school letting out soon, I thought I’d start things off with a pair of tales of teen angst. First, Seventies style:

Over The Edge

Next, a camp classic from the 60’s:

Wild in the Streets

And, to further whet your appetite for the weekend, a very different movie from the same year (1968):

The Green Berets

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 05/21/09 at 08:50 PM in Fun and Humor  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Double Secret Detention

As I noted below, Greenwald is skeptical about Obama’s words verus his actions. Here’s a reason why:

President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a “preventive detention” system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried, two participants in the private session said.

The discussion, in a 90-minute meeting in the Cabinet Room that included Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and other top administration officials, came on the eve of a much-anticipated speech Mr. Obama is to give Thursday on a a number of thorny national security matters, including his promise to close the detention center at the naval base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

I do think this is an area where Obama needs to explain himself more fully. It doesn’t negate him being able to claim the moral high ground, however, especially when compared to Cheney.

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 05/21/09 at 05:09 PM in War on Terror/Axis of Evil  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Obama Vs. Cheney

Chris Bodenner has a roundup of reactions to Cheney’s speech; more analysis here. Here’s Sullivan with a follow-up:

I can say this after watching the speech and reading its text: by his sobriety and balance, care and precision, Obama has sketched a way forward that is a function of both war and law, seeking no shallow political edge in an area that should never have been abused by Rovian cynicism in the first place. At first blush, I find the balance near pitch-perfect - on detention, torture, interrogation and Gitmo.

Like the president, I am under no illusions as to the enemy we face and the need to fight it. But like the president, I was deeply disturbed by both the tools that the last president used - above all the tool of torture - and the rationale of uncheckable and lawless executive supremacy that underpinned it. Something very profound went very wrong. We all need to understand that at a minimum, however we want to move forward.

I wish the war could be over. It isn’t. More important, I do not want America to be over, and, thanks to this remarkable figure in a terribly divided and difficult time, it isn’t. The system which relies on law not men, on decency not barbarism, on democratic balance not autocratic deciderism is the system we are fighting for. It won, as Obama noted, even before the last election when two anti-torture candidates, McCain and Obama, emerged from the pack. But its long-term victory was never assured.

I feel much more confidence now that victory - for both our system and the war against Jihadism - is possible. Civil liberties purists will quibble and fight. Cheney-dead-enders will continue to stoke fear and division. I think this is the right balance - and deserves our vocal and persistent support.

Greenwald is more skeptical. This wasn’t as historic as Lincoln vs. Douglas, but it does show the dueling ideologies at work here. Cheney, for my money, represents the past and seems increasingly frustrated that he’s no longer in charge of anything. Obama, whatever else you might think of him, is still light-years ahead of Cheney in this debate. Deep down inside, I think Cheney knows it, too-hence the bitter, flailing responses we keep getting from him.


John Cole says that Cheney’s behavior shows who was really in charge:

What is really weird is that they seem to have just given up any pretense that Bush was anything other than an empty suit. Between Dick’s multiple pronouncements, his really odd response on MTP in which he said “I guess the President had been briefed,” and stunts like this speech today, Cheney is basically telling you who the HMFIC for the last eight years was, and he wasn’t a legacy frat boy from Connecticut.

Not that anyone ever suspected any less.

Can he just go back to Wyoming the way said frat boy went back to Texas, already?

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 05/21/09 at 04:30 PM in War on Terror/Axis of Evil  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Wednesday, May 20, 2009

My Chemical Romance

How about another post about kooky religious people? Y’all hear the one about the cancer kid who refused chemotherapy?

The Minnesota teenager who ran away to avoid chemotherapy may have been seen in the Los Angeles area along with his mother, and the pair may be headed to San Diego and the Mexican border, the sheriff’s office in Brown County, Minn. said on Wednesday.

...Best has said he was cured by natural remedies.

Daniel Hauser and his mother, Colleen Hauser, apparently left their southern Minnesota home sometime after a doctor’s appointment and court-ordered X-ray on Monday showed his tumor had grown.

Brown County District Judge John Rodenberg, who had ruled last week that Daniel’s parents were medically neglecting him, issued an arrest warrant Tuesday for Colleen Hauser and ruled her in contempt of court. Rodenberg also ordered that Daniel be placed in foster care and immediately evaluated by a cancer specialist for treatment.

The family belongs to a religious group that believes in “natural” healing methods. Daniel has testified he believed chemotherapy would kill him and told the judge that if anyone tried to force him to take it, “I’d fight it I’d punch them and I’d kick them.”


We’ve had stories like this before and the consensus generally is that the parents are retarded and they should just STFU and get their kid the necessary treatment. We don’t get too worked up if an adult decides to treat his own cancer with ionized water and fairy dust; one less douchebag slowing down the fastlane on the highway. But when it comes to kids who are incapable of making an informed decision, the law makes certain demands. Parents cannot force their little ones into religious practices that may endanger their lives…

...or can they? Consider the parents who refuse to have their kids vaccinated out of fear of autism. Consider the ones that indoctrinate their children against modern medicine generally. Where do we draw the line? One could argue that instilling certain values or religious ideals is in itself a kind of abuse. Do I have the right to raise my son as a racist communist satanic cannibalist?

Either way this case would make a pretty awesome episode of House. Oh wait...

Posted by The Contrarian on 05/20/09 at 11:44 PM in • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Life In The Wilderness

And while the Democrats wimp out, the Republicans seem determined to keep the stupidity going:

Members of the Republican National Committee appear to have reached a compromise that would let GOP leaders avoid a possible dispute over a controversial resolution that calls on Democrats to re-name their party the “Democrat Socialist party.”

Steele has come out against the resolution, calling it “not an appropriate way to express our views on the issues of the day.” One of Steele’s allies on the committee, Florida GOP chairman Jim Greer, told CNN the resolution is “stupid” and “ridiculous.”

However, New Jersey committeeman David Norcross, one of the sponsors of the resolution, told CNN the language is being massaged so that Steele and others on the committee will be more receptive.

I really, really hope Steele stands his ground and tells these goofballs what to go do with themselves. At a time when many Democrats are bcoming as unhappy with Obama as they are, you’d think they’d look for common ground somewhere. But instead, they’re retreating into Karl Rove mode.

This is what happens when you have no real leadership, and no real ideas. You rapidly descend into self-parody.

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 05/20/09 at 03:39 PM in Right Wing Assholes  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink

Folding Like Cheap Lawn Chairs

True to form, the Democrats have caved:

In a widely expected move, the Senate has voted overwhelmingly to block the $80 million President Obama requested to shut down the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The roll call here. The margin was 90-6.

Yesterday, Senate Democratic leaders announced that they wouldn’t hand over the money needed to close the facility until Obama releases a comprehensive plan detailing what the administration will do with remaining detainees. We’ll have more on the breakdown between Congress and the White House later today.

This is disappointing on so many levels, not the least of which is that the Dems seem to have bought into Republican fear-mongering that the detainees simply can’t be kept anywhere else. Isn’t that where we keep people like Charles Manson and all manner of serial killers and the most violent criminals? What makes them think we can’t keep 240 individuals in specially built facilities elsewhere? And it also shows that the “Filibuster-proof majority” didn’t do Obama very much good, did it?

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 05/20/09 at 03:30 PM in War on Terror/Axis of Evil  • (0) TrackbacksPermalink
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