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The ACLU and Terry Jones
By sahrab on 04/26/11 at 07:53 AM

Hall_10000 - bastion of tolerance, France

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys

Sorry its an automatic response to the word France

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys

The ACLU and Terry Jones
By Hal_10000 on 04/26/11 at 07:02 AM

Agreed sahrab.

Andres Serrano is a piece of crap.  I object to funding his work but not its existence.  Of course, you’ll notice his “art” was destroyed in that bastion of tolerance, France, not the US.

The ACLU and Terry Jones
By sahrab on 04/26/11 at 06:47 AM

NotNeoConMan - Was Andres Serrano a piece of shit, too?

No he was a piece of piss - bad da dum dum!

Seriously, this is actually par for the course for the ACLU.  The talking heads go after the ACLU when they protest religion (of some aspect) in schools, usually when its a Christian defendent.  Yet those same talking blowhards (conveniently) leave out all the instances of the ACLU supporting and defending Christians and their right to practice (do a google search of ACLU defending Christians for the information). 

In regards to religion, the ACLU is much more consistent in their defense (and their record shows this) than the Rush’s and Hannity’s lead you to believe.  They dont favor (just) Christian causes, and dont seem to favor any other sky pixie belief as well.

If only the ACLU was as consistent in their defense of our other rights (think 2nd)

The ACLU and Terry Jones
By NotNeoConMan on 04/26/11 at 05:28 AM

Hal:

I just want to hear it:  Was Andres Serrano (sp?) a piece of shit, too?  Also, I’m pretty sure that the wacky reverend from CA didn’t receive NEA funds or similar to do his “permormance art”.

No freaking way!
By Tool on 04/25/11 at 09:52 PM

You have birthers, anti--choice, homophobic, abstinence only dweebs and climate change deniers and creationists on your side

Uh, ok, creationists on a virulently athiest website founded by an athiest. Again moogoo, your analytical skills are astounding. I am still convinced this is just an elaborate farce that you will one day reveal.

The ACLU and Terry Jones
By richtaylor on 04/25/11 at 08:50 PM

Hal, I realize that this was a hastily written post, but once you digest exactly what happened here, you will (or should) be much more incensed.

Jones was arrested, not for anything that he did or anything that he said, he was arrested because he wanted to stage a protest against radical Islam (which he did not hold btw) and the community was so worried that the local Muslims would go ape shit and murder people, so they arrested him. Can you imagine, he was thrown in jail for planning a protest, that was it. So what was the jury tasked to determine? Whether Jones’ intent was peaceful or whether it was to incite violence, not whether he broke any laws, but guilt or innocence would rest totally on whether they (the jury) thought that the local Muslims would be able to control themselves. Answer? No they could not act like civilized humans, so let’s just jail Jones instead. Even the judge, embarrassed by such a travesty of justice attempted to mitigate by fining Jones one dollar, which he refused to pay, good for him.

The ACLU does not need to be applauded for them stepping in, first amendment proponents nation wide will be lining up to grab a piece of this.

The prosecution reasoned that Jones might say something that would anger hair trigger Muslim maniacs into violence, so he was arrested prior to the protest to appease the whining cry babies and stop bloody jihad, what a sad day for America.

People in the past have been charged with inciting violence after the fact, after the protest, and only when the speaker incited his own side, in this case he was arrested because of what the other side is capable of. The state, in utter panic of what those whacky Muslims might do, shut him down before the protest, and let the thin skinned nature of a specific religious community run rough shod over the Constitution.

I just suggest they take a shower afterward.

I’ll save that for real creeps like Phelps. This guy is insensitive and mistaken in his beliefs, burning the Koran was just dumb, but certainly not worth killing people over. Sadly Jones, who got his 15 minutes and needed to disappear, will now be forever linked as some first amendment champion, what a pity.

MOVING DAY IS COMING
By bgeek on 04/25/11 at 07:40 PM

Thanks for doing this Jim. Good luck.

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By muirgeo1 on 04/25/11 at 07:25 PM

Posted by Retluocc1 on 04/25/11 at 06:18 AM from
Social Security has not added one penny to the debt.

You saying that doesn’t make it true.

Your saying that validates your ignorance… yes you are ignorant on the issue.

MOVING DAY IS COMING
By HARLEY on 04/25/11 at 04:18 PM

Thank the gods, im back on line and not stuck on that damm phone.
JIM, i cant express how much i appreciate what you ahe done for us here, keeping this pl;ace going and moving us over to our new digs. Thanks man. And yes run the hat by again, ill drop what i can in.
!

MOVING DAY IS COMING
By richtaylor on 04/25/11 at 03:42 PM

OT, but is anyone following what is going on in Michigan wrt Terry Jones? The First Amendment was just set back 50 years, who said Sharia can’t happen here?

MOVING DAY IS COMING
By Seattle Outcast on 04/25/11 at 02:14 PM

I’ll be willing to bet Moogoo will contribute a big fat NOTHING....

MOVING DAY IS COMING
By richtaylor on 04/25/11 at 02:06 PM

And don’t forget to pass the hat when you are finished. The thought of a site organizer going hungry and having to dumpster dive, that is not the kind of country I want to live in.

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By richtaylor on 04/25/11 at 02:03 PM

I still have hope for the little tyke. Maybe when he:

1)gets a job
2)has to pay taxes
3)has to find and pay for a health insurance plan

it will dawn on him that government is not, nor has it ever done him any favors, and that he needs to think and do for himself. Time to start being a productive citizen and contribute to society, not be a determent to it.

Krugman Consumes His Own Tail
By AlexinCT on 04/25/11 at 01:47 PM

To allow the marketplace to compete on an even playing field, where providers (like car insurance) offering many different plans of coverage, yes, this will not only drive down costs but it will provide me with better coverage, and giving me just what I need (and am paying for) and nothing more.

Are you nuts? What about the people that don’t want to pay but want everything? They have rights too! And what about the power the politicians give up when they get out of the insurance rigging game? NO WAY! This shouldn’t be allowed. Consumer shumer. Pay up and shut up! You are a racist, homphobic, denier creationist anti-science insurance industry toady that’s blocking utopia!!!11!!

Now you don’t have to bother replying Moogoo.

MOVING DAY IS COMING
By AlexinCT on 04/25/11 at 01:42 PM

GO GET EM JIM!

MOVING DAY IS COMING
By InsipiD on 04/25/11 at 01:36 PM

Best of luck, I guess it’s more for us than for you, and that’s such a nice thing for you to do.  Thank you so much for doing all this.

Krugman Consumes His Own Tail
By richtaylor on 04/25/11 at 01:30 PM

Putting everything into the hands of for profit health insurance companies will NOT decrease the amount we spend on health care.

If left to the usual mechanisms of the free market, it will most certainly reduce costs, along with providing a better product. Heaven forbid that for profit insurance companies will be ALLOWED to compete for my business, where I can choose which provider gives me not only the cheapest plan, but one tailored for my needs. Heaven forbid that I be ALLOWED to purchase what I need, and not have a once size fits all overly blotted government plan which is propped up, subsidized and over meddled by the nanny state. To allow the marketplace to compete on an even playing field, where providers (like car insurance) offering many different plans of coverage, yes, this will not only drive down costs but it will provide me with better coverage, and giving me just what I need (and am paying for) and nothing more.

It is not helpful to parrot something that you saw on another blog, you have to understand and be able to defend what you are writing, try it sometime.

Krugman Consumes His Own Tail
By AlexinCT on 04/25/11 at 09:27 AM

You said death panels in relation to Obamacare.

Yes I did, and that’s because they are just that: death panels, tasked with denying care to save money. You have no problem using the vilest possible language when you are painting private insurance companies with the broadest of negative brushes, so why can’t we tell the truth about Obamacare?

That makes you a total undeniable idiot along the lines of some creationist type thinkers...or like a Sarah Palin type of dope. DF !

Ah yes, pointing out that Obamacare will result in massive rationing makes me a creationist and an idiot, despite the fact that I am not a creationist and wish we took Darwinism more seriously and let it run it’s course to rid the world of idiots like you, and thus you think you won the argument!

Keep it up Moogoo, you are fucking priceless, man.

Krugman Consumes His Own Tail
By AlexinCT on 04/25/11 at 09:14 AM

if there isn’t enough money to keep the current massive debt and social spending obligation of the US government going,

You saying that doesn’t make it true.

In short, this is the left’s solution to the problem: pretend there is no problem.

Here’s some hard facts for ya Moogoo: I am not saying this the decline of the dollar is saying so, China dumping our debt and refusing to buy more is saying so, the IMF is saying so, and even Obama, while trying to also justify tax increases, a sure economy killer, which I am certain will then promptly end any effort to enact real spending cuts is saying so. But you? You are refusing to see it because you want to steal other people’s wealth to keep your ass protected from your bad decisions and lack of planning.

No freaking way!
By sahrab on 04/25/11 at 09:07 AM

Hal_1000 - Well, at least we know the global warming skeptics have no ties to lobbying groups that benefits by opposing AGW.

Unless your as skeptical about the ties those who push the AGW agenda, your post is nothing but hypocrisy.

Why is it questionable when its someone who is funded by Exxon, but not questionable when its someone who is funded by a (tax payer funded) grant that will disapear if they prove AGW is false?

No freaking way!
By AlexinCT on 04/25/11 at 08:48 AM

Hal… your guys believe Climategate was something of substance. They hate science.

Actually Moogoo, I hate AGW because I see the harm it does to legitimate science. As I pointed out the last time you made this ridiculous claim, I have a masters and a double bachelors in science, and not in any fluffy feel good shit. What’s your degree in Mr. Science? Womyn studies? That’s assuming you actually completed high school. Facts, any logic, and certainly the truth, will never get in the way of your narrative, though.

You have birthers, anti--choice, homophobic, abstinence only dweebs and climate change deniers and creationists on your side.

Way to go Moogoo! Typical leftists debating tactics on display. Thanks for not disappointing, man. You forgot to sneak in racists, but I see you got in homophobes, when nobody here cares what people do in their own bedrooms and the topic has nothing to do with that though, so that’s a nice twist. With massive display of your scientific and debating skills like this, how can we even deign to talk back? We should just shut up and know our place, huh?

Again: facts, logic, truth? NEVAH! The narrative, ya know.

You sure your on the right side of logic with other things like defense and the economy? Just saying.

Yeah, Hal needs you defending his cause bud. If anything, Hal might want to really consider his sanity if tyhe only moron on his side is an intellectual giant like you.

No freaking way!
By AlexinCT on 04/25/11 at 08:39 AM

Well, at least we know the global warming skeptics have no ties to lobbying groups that benefits by opposing AGW.

Oh, wait…

If that was meant to be funny or sarcastic I think you missed the point Hal. We constantly get told that anything from anyone that opposes the cult of AGW is motivated by nefarious & evil concerns with an outright agenda, while the cult of AGW believers are all purse as snow. The entire point of this post was precisely to show how ridiculous the claims by AGW cultists that only their opposition has an agenda, and that their agenda is to destroy the world, is.

And keep in mind, the number of investigations that have cleared East Anglia are about half a dozen now.

Anyone that clears the East Anglia scam, after the revelations and facts exposed by Climategate,is in the bag for these liars. The massive tampering and scheming should make any scientific inquery call the entrie thing moot and force everyone to start from scratch, in the open, to make their case for whatever. In any other field of science, or if the revelations had been from what the cultists like to refer to as AGW deniers, these kinds of fabrications and manipulations would have resulted in the people involved being ridiculued and their effort discredited. That you, someone that works in science, don’t see that, bothers me.

So far there have been a half-dozen whitewashes of Climategate by extremely vested parties.

What he said! The claims that these AGW cult investigations exonerated the AGC scam is like having NAMBLA child molesters investigating themselves, and concluding that what they do is all fine & dandy. The later wouldn’t fly with anyone, but we are supposed to believe the cult of AGW didn’t do the same.

Where are the investigations their guilt, Alex?

Not sure what this meant Hal. Can you clarify.

No freaking way!
By Hal_10000 on 04/25/11 at 07:25 AM

Can you list them?

I’m in a rush this morning, so no links, but here’s a partial list:

House of Commons Science Committee

Science Assessment Panel

an independent panel established by UAE

Department of Commerce review commissioned by Inhofe

PSU’s internal investigation

East Anglia’s internal investigation

There was also the preliminary review of the science data by the Richard Muller group I linked to a few weeks ago, who is showing that the CRU’s analysis, based on their data, is correct.

Krugman Consumes His Own Tail
By Retluocc1 on 04/25/11 at 07:18 AM

Social Security has not added one penny to the debt.

You saying that doesn’t make it true.

No freaking way!
By Balthazar on 04/25/11 at 04:32 AM

Holy shit Moogoo, even if all of that were true, which it isn’t, he would still be better off than being in your deluded corner of idiocy and stupidity.

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By InsipiD on 04/25/11 at 04:21 AM

You saying that doesn’t make it true. We can easily afford to pay for all our countrymen’s medical needs.

No.  We’re already spending twice what we’re taking in, which amounts to almost 25% of the entire country’s economic output without socialized healthcare.  You’re ridiculous if you want to double-down on spending like that and your name-calling is just weak.  Go away.

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By muirgeo1 on 04/25/11 at 01:06 AM

if there isn’t enough money to keep the current massive debt and social spending obligation of the US government going,

You saying that doesn’t make it true. We can easily afford to pay for all our countrymen’s medical needs. But the best way to do that is via a universal health care system. Putting everything into the hands of for profit health insurance companies will NOT decrease the amount we spend on health care.

Because the current death panels in Obamacare

You said death panels in relation to Obamacare. That makes you a total undeniable idiot along the lines of some creationist type thinkers...or like a Sarah Palin type of dope. DF !

I expect SS to be bankrupt or to pay such a meaningless amount of money that I do not count on it being there.

That’s because as I said you are very stupid and can’t do basic math… and because Sean Hannity controls your thought… Sean Hannity… he’s funny… I like watching him when he froths at the mouth. It makes me laugh. But yeah you’re one of his sock-puppet. Social Security has not added one penny to the debt.

No freaking way!
By muirgeo1 on 04/25/11 at 12:53 AM

Hal… your guys believe Climategate was something of substance. They hate science. You have birthers, anti--choice, homophobic, abstinence only dweebs and climate change deniers and creationists on your side. You sure your on the right side of logic with other things like defense and the economy? Just saying.

No freaking way!
By Seattle Outcast on 04/24/11 at 10:35 PM

So far there have been a half-dozen whitewashes of Climategate by extremely vested parties. 

None of which have passed muster by neutral parties.

No freaking way!
By hist_ed on 04/24/11 at 09:19 PM

And keep in mind, the number of investigations that have cleared East Anglia are about half a dozen now.

Can you list them?  (links would be even bettter)