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Bodle Cock
by Lee

A friend just sent this over.  Her mother went to a Ralph’s grocery store here in Los Angeles to buy, among other things, a couple bottles of Coke, which were on sale.  They were out when she got there, so she asked for a raincheck.  This is a scan of the actual raincheck, with the clerk’s name altered.

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Pathetic, isn’t it?  And just in case you were curious, the name in question isn’t Hispanic, so he can’t claim that English is his second language.  This, my friends, is the end result of the California public education system.

Posted by Lee on 10/29/05 at 08:53 PM (Discuss this in the forums)

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Posted by The Contrarian on 10/29/05 at 11:01 PM from United States

Maybe the mother lied and actually wanted some bodle cock?

Posted by on 10/29/05 at 11:19 PM from United States

Hooked on Phonics is great, eh?

Posted by on 10/29/05 at 11:27 PM from United States

Toys R Us school of spelling.

Posted by Drumwaster on 10/29/05 at 11:31 PM from United States

You wanna know when it really started?

“How do you spell ‘relief’?”

“R-O-L-A-I-D-S”

Posted by on 10/29/05 at 11:35 PM from United States

Cock or peepsi? You deeside,layde.

Posted by dlombard on 10/29/05 at 11:38 PM from United States

In Los Angeles County, Measure Y was put on the ballet to approve somewhere around $4 Billion more for LAUSD.  Yes, that’s right billion with a B.  I’d be happy to approve that if they wouldn’t mind terribly explaining to me what they’ve done with the previous tens of billions of dollars that we voters approved.  And then tell me how graduates of a school system that got that money ended up writing like THAT.

Posted by HARLEY on 10/29/05 at 11:57 PM from United States

Deus, what a bright future we have in store for us, if these people are allowed to bred.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 12:23 AM from United States

So she can only get her cock at 3:49?  Is that AM or PM?

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 12:31 AM from United States

This is not just Cali...THIS IS AMERICAN PUBLIC SCHOOLS

Posted by Nethicus on 10/30/05 at 12:49 AM from United States

I now know what pseudonym I shall use for my porno name.

Posted by Drumwaster on 10/30/05 at 01:19 AM from United States

A thought just struck me. In my experience, it isn’t the ordinary boxperson/sacker that has the authority to issue rainchecks. It isn’t the ordinary cashier, either, and it’s usually at least a senior cashier or manager.

That takes time and proven experience, yet no one figured out that said cashier could not spell the name of a product he/she sells countless times every week.

*sigh*

Posted by Loud on 10/30/05 at 01:20 AM from United States

Posted by HARLEY on 10/29 at 10:57 PM

Deus, what a bright future we have in store for us, if these people are allowed to bred.

Harley, these are the people that ARE breeding.  This is why abortion needs to be legalized.  Now.  Free abortions for anyone who spells it “Bodle Cock”.  It’s an investment in the future.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 01:40 AM from United States

This is one reason why we are homeschooling our kids.  Sure our kids may turn out a little socially backwards but they will be able to read and write.

Posted by InsipiD on 10/30/05 at 01:04 AM from United States

I have had someone misspell things that I was spelling for them as they wrote it.  I thought everyone knew how to spell coke, though.  At least you know he’s not doing drugs...a drug dealer will give you exactly what you ask for, and if you ask for cock then that’s what you’ll get.  That makes me want to Ralph.

Posted by Helga Phugly on 10/30/05 at 02:17 AM from United States

A lady from work sent in this help desk request.

“The Mac that we received ads on this make a funny noise and now we can’t get it to reloading.”

Another person in my company asked:

“What for that happen?”

These are people who are grew up speaking English, so they have no excuse for this sort of jibberish.  Friggin’ retards.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 02:19 AM from United States

Uh Tj, hooked on phonics probably would’ve solved that problem. Looks like another fine example of “Whole language” concept!

It’s pretty much all over. I know quite a few younger Cops that would’ve been fired for stupidity if it wasn’t for the spell and grammar check on our Computers nowadays!

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 10/30/05 at 03:31 AM from United States

Lee: As long as your friend didn’t ask for diet cock. That would have been downright embarrassing.

Posted by InsipiD on 10/30/05 at 08:09 AM from United States

Notice, too that the “at” line on the rain check is for the price, and he wrote the time.  It’s not just his language skills that are lacking.

Posted by salinger on 10/30/05 at 09:02 AM from United States

This is precisely the phonics only approach supported by No Child Left Behind.

Now, I’m not saying that the person that wrote this was a product of this system. But, expect more of this type of gaffe as long as the parties believe reading theory a political football.

Right - phonics
Left - whole language

Approximately only 1/2 of the English language is decodable phonetically - yet the right wingers - more specifically, McGraw Hill - neo-con cronies responsible for most of the No Child Left Behind and we just happen to publish the text books needed to comply Act - insist this is the way to learn to read.

Funny that a billion or so Chinese can read their written language just fine, when phonetic sounding is impossible with character based text.

“One of the great things about books is sometimes there are some fantastic pictures.”

George W. Bush

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 10:49 AM from United States

Would this be like the ‘whole math’ where it’s irrelevant whether your answer is right or not, as long as you ‘thought hard about it’?

I’m all for going back to spelling drills and sentence diagrams.

--TR

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 11:11 AM from United States

It’s a shame isn’t it?

I’ve gone into places where people can’t do simple math and I mean SIMPLE without the use of a calculator.

There are a few public high school teachers that live in my neighborhood that I’ve had conversations with. 3 out of the 5 were not what I would call rocket scientists.

Fuck it. My kids are going to be home schooled.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 11:16 AM from Japan

Would this be like the ‘whole math’ where it’s irrelevant whether your answer is right or not, as long as you ‘thought hard about it’?

I’m all for going back to spelling drills and sentence diagrams.

Actually, it might surprise you that people learn different things in different ways. So while some students might thrive in a drill-based, controlled environmentl. By the same token, some students need a flexible learning environment where they can learn to set their own challenges (and before you all jump down my throat, I know some kids who have done really well this way - full credit to their parents).

This is the whole problem with a “one size fits all” education system driven by ideology and the latest orthodoxy (and equally uselessly whinged about by people who advocate a return to the good old days).

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 11:21 AM from United States

Sadly, these ignorami, from all states, end up in college (and beyond), with the inescapable result of diminished academic standards.  If I had a dime for every dolt I had to deal with in college (both as a student and adjunct professor) I could buy a bottle of coke for everyone in California.  While blame, in part, is found with the schools, the lack of a work ethic at home is the primary culprit.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 11:34 AM from United States

Hey Salinger,

Why no mentiopn of the co-author of the “No Child left behind”

Teddy “Where’s my Olds?” Kennedy?

Bad news pal, that slip is a shining example of “Whole Lnaguage” concept where kids are taught to spell it like it sounds.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 11:50 AM from United States

I learned to read through a phonics method and did quite well. I was in honors English throughout most of high school and excelled in my college writing courses.

I believe phonics is a great method for teaching kids to read.

Whole language? Sucks. It’s the same as “new math”. Some lefty shitheads wanted to get yet another masters or Phd and were searching for something on which to write a thesis or dissertation. Voila! Teaching methods that suck and the teachers who teach them.

Posted by HARLEY on 10/30/05 at 12:19 PM from United States

Actually, it might surprise you that people learn different things in different ways. So while some students might thrive in a drill-based, controlled environmentl. By the same token, some students need a flexible learning environment where they can learn to set their own challenges (and before you all jump down my throat, I know some kids who have done really well this way - full credit to their parents).

This is the whole problem with a “one size fits all” education system driven by ideology and the latest orthodoxy (and equally uselessly whinged about by people who advocate a return to the good old days).

I’m gonna have to agree with stogy here......
Everyone has different levels of ability to learn, i know i had my problems, with my speech impairment.
I never had it easy where spelling was concerned. I became to believe that the English language was the most confusing and pain in the ass language to learn.
Because of my “problems” i was knocked back to a lower reading group in school, however i was reading Adult level novels in the 5th grade, and was WAY ahead of my fellow student in my understanding of such subjects.....

As for Phonics, i am willing to give it a whirl for my son when he gets old enough.

When my son gets in school i fully intend to get on the school board and make my opinions known. I already made contact with one of the board members and have built a very good understanding what this will entail.

PS i still use spell check, damm small keyboard and the fact that i STILL cant type worth shit...LOL

Posted by salinger on 10/30/05 at 12:34 PM from United States

Bad news pal, that slip is a shining example of “Whole Lnaguage” concept where kids are taught to spell it like it sounds

uh, that would be phonics DaCopper – Whole language teaches knowing the word not sounding it out. Phonics is the de-coding key of last resort in whole language - the spell it like it sounds bit.

Kennedy was wrong. He jumped in thinking this was going to create more title one cash and once his stumping was done and his name was on the bill he was cut loose. I’ve yet to understand the relevance of dropping a Democrats name into these discussions. Does it make it any less wrong?  Akin to the I know you are but what am I? line of reasoning. Right now, the right controls the funding of this program - so the brunt of my argument is against them. But, anyone that voted for/co-authored the bill that resulted in NCLB is just as guilty.

The concept of NCLB is admirable - accountability and testing to show progress. The reality of its application has been quite different.

Plagued by unfunded mandates and bureaucratic interpretations of the original bill aimed at putting cash into standardized test mills rather than actually teaching have rendered the program virtually useless.

The idea that every single student should be at the same place at the same time in a class is ludicrous. This tract takes creativity out of the classroom replacing critical thinking with rote memorization. Perfect for someone working at Walmart for minimum wage, but not for an individual that may have goals beyond a six pack every night.

These standardized test give our students a new opportunity earlier and earlier. That opportunity is to fail, creating a more docile and malleable worker.

Texas and Florida have been running this type of program longer than anyone else. In fact, an extremely high score on the standardized high school graduation tests in Texas earns one the title of Texas Scholar.

Texas scholars are finding that they are woefully prepared for higher education. The rote test taking method has left them unable to think and they flounder when they hit college and are asked to explain their reasoning.

Texas Scholar

For years Americans have bemoaned being behind the curve on standardized tests when compared to other countries – specifically Asian.

The Asian aesthetic is such that the good for the group outweighs individuality. While the American psyche has been based on the individual.

Thus, while on the average, US scores on standardized test may lag behind those of Asian contemporaries the number of Nobel prizes earned by Americans is much greater.

Bottom line Standards are a great idea – standardized testing is stupid.

Would you rather have a country of individuals or a beehive of worker drones on the same level?

Posted by salinger on 10/30/05 at 12:42 PM from United States

As for Phonics, i am willing to give it a whirl for my son when he gets old enough.

Phonics is a component of whole language.

Sound out these words for me.

Through – Though – Rough – Bough

Chicken – Chaos – Charlatan

Cup – Cipher

Tomb – Comb

Home – Come

50% of the English language is not decipherable by phonics. Would you be satisfied with your son understanding only 50% of what he reads?

Posted by salinger on 10/30/05 at 12:47 PM from United States

Phonics is a component of whole language.

A small component - the last resort of de-coding a word. Context, prediction, intuition, and re-reading of the same texts all come before phonics is used to de-code an unfamiliar word.

I wanted to clarify that whole language does not completely do away with phonics - rather it seats it a little further back in the bus.

Posted by HARLEY on 10/30/05 at 12:59 PM from United States

I said id give it a whirl.... not that I’d have depend on it ..

Posted by salinger on 10/30/05 at 01:01 PM from United States

I said id give it a whirl.... not that I’d have depend on it ..

If you want your son to be a good reader - read to him every day. And read the same books over and over no matter how sick you get of them.

Posted by HARLEY on 10/30/05 at 01:14 PM from United States

Oh i will I will.. you can bet on that.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 01:27 PM from United States

My resident Teacher informed me that both work but not just one or the other. My experience was that phonics through the evil “Rote” memorization taught me to distinuish the differences and pronunciations.

And no, I’m not using the “I know you are but what am I? for my reasoning. So far the Bush Admin. of the VWRC is getting pounded on for this by people like you and only when confronted with the fact that Kennedy had his mits on it as well then it changes to “well, it was a good idea but it isn’t workable because.....”

My experince is and my wife is finding out that a lot of trendy and useless educational theories are coming from the places where the Teachers come from.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 01:39 PM from United States

Salinger,
Excellent series of posts.
(sound of hands clapping)

Posted by salinger on 10/30/05 at 01:42 PM from United States

Whole language also encompasses phonics - so it is not a one or the other argument. It is a Phonics Only or Whole Language argument.

This argument is so politically charged that I have seen 1/2 the teachers at a Texas literacy convention walk out when a speaker has dared to say phonics is not the end all of reading instruction.

phonics through the evil “Rote” memorization taught me to distinguish the differences and pronunciations

How did this work? How did phonics teach you to distinguish the different pronunciations? My guess is you used whole language methods without realizing it.

I also qualified my criticism of the right wing by stating they hold the purse strings on this thing and are thus responsible for its failure.

I think the Texas Scholar link sums up the current application of this approach pretty well.

My experince is and my wife is finding out that a lot of trendy and useless educational theories are coming from the places where the Teachers come from.

I don’t understand this comment - can you cite an example?

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 01:46 PM from United States

Maybe the kid was mildly retarded, or he may have dyslexia and no one has bothered to find out why he’s doing shitty in school. It may not only be the schools fault, his parents are to blame too.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 02:01 PM from United States

Funny that a billion or so Chinese can read their written language just fine, when phonetic sounding is impossible with character based text.

Due largely to the fact that thier culture still views schooling and education as a privelege, whereas American culture views school as a pain in the ass.

If I hear another person complain about underfunding being the source of our shitty schools, I might puke. Problem is that parents no longer place high value on education, so kids don’t either. They have unreasonable expectations of the individual attention that they think their child should receive, and constantly undermine the teacher’s authority.

The same thing goes for college. How many kids view college as a 5 1/2 year party? 

Public Education is free, and therefore viewed in our society as having less tangible value than things that do come with a price tag. There are way too many parents who get pissed at their kids for leaving the lights on and wasting electricity but are silent when they bring home shitty report cards.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 02:06 PM from United States

This is the whole problem with a “one size fits all” education system driven by ideology and the latest orthodoxy (and equally uselessly whinged about by people who advocate a return to the good old days).

Hmm. That sounds like an endorsement for a voucher system.

Posted by Drumwaster on 10/30/05 at 02:24 PM from United States

Maybe he needs ‘Hooked on Monkey Fonics’…

Posted by salinger on 10/30/05 at 03:16 PM from United States

Due largely to the fact that thier culture still views schooling and education as a privelege

How do you know this? I’ve been to schools in China, the attendance rate is greater than the US. Now if this is because they value education more, well then that’s a different problem and a pretty sad statement on western culture.

Public Education is free, and therefore viewed in our society as having less tangible value than things that do come with a price tag

China is communist - their education system is free too. This doesn’t quite jibe with your above comment. Even so, both comments are a bit off topic.

So, let’s compare Japan, a non-communist country - which uses Chinese characters in their writing. Their literacy rate is 99% give or take a point or two (higher than the US).

Now - I am quoting this not because China or Japan have a societal edge on education. The way the society looks on education is not germane to this argument. I am talking only about the use of phonics as the only means of reading instruction – that is all.

My point is – in China and Japan, where a phonics based literacy program is impossible because of the character based text (there is no “sounding out” potential) that a plurality of citizens are literate with no help from phonics.

I am simply showing that a literacy system that can not use phonics is successful and at a higher rate than one that uses phonics solely.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 04:19 PM from United States

Even so, both comments are a bit off topic.

The original topic of this thread (And the one to which I am referring) is the bodle cock voucher and its representation of the pathetic state of the US public education system. I do not doubt your views on phonics, and frankly, I don’t care about the semantics of whether or not kids can learn to read through phonics. In my opinion, the best way for a kid to lear to read is to do a lot of it, right in front of his parents, who can help him recognize, pronounce and define unfamilliar words; at least that is how we are teaching our rugrat. (Working very well so far, BTW)

My point is that many other cultures, especially Asian, tend to hold education in much higher regard than we do. Academic achievement is celebrated in thier culture while it is ridiculed in ours; particularly in the media and entertainment worlds.

As for my theory of school being free, it refers to American society. I do not have the time, energy, or expertise to try to speculate on the impact of a communist society the cultural values of China; and how that impacts the percieved value of a “free” education; our “free” schooling system was initially viewed as a great opportunity for students, but the “value” of this opportunity has gradually eroded as society became so accustomed to having free access to education.

Not 100% sure, but I believe that Japan is also begining to see the percieved value of education decline because it has been free for so long.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 04:40 PM from United States

Right now, my wife just explained to me a “Group project” on word comprehension that would take 2 hours to review 5 words. And this is in a Social Studies class.

Bottom line, THe reason why the Chinese and Japanese have a sucessful literary system is that it is taught one way and deals in absolutes. They are taught how to pronunce it and which character represents it.

dk is right, this has gone way off. NCLB had nothing to do with the moron in question of this post. But I do feel that a piss poor school system that has been under control of the Liberal educational establishment for quite a while has some questions to answer for. Namely how someone with such poor skills made it through the system. 

It isn’t just the spelling, look at the penmanship as well. My 6 year old writes like that, but he has a learning disability.

Posted by salinger on 10/30/05 at 07:11 PM from United States

Academic achievement is celebrated in thier culture while it is ridiculed in ours

I’ve seen this really take off within the last ten years. I visit dozens of schools a year and it never ceases to floor me. Intelligence, and curiosity is being drummed right out of the classroom. I’ve hit on some of the ways creativity is being sidelined for standardized testing. I just do not understand why folks can not separate test performance from intelligence, but that’s another screed.

I don’t know how many times I have asked “When did it become cool to be stupid?”

There are several threads you can pull to unravel this.

First, look at the role models kids are supplied.

In sports one should quit school early and become a millionaire. Listen to their post game interviews – the majority of these cats are semi-literate at the best. You don’t need no education to dunk a basketball.

Pop stars are no better, i.e. Jessica “is chicken of the sea chicken or is it fish” Simpson is one example. Johnny Knoxville and the jackass crew model idiocy for pay.

This society as a whole has devalued nuance and critical thinking during the last generation. Intelligence and inquisitiveness is considered something to distrust. In fact the term intellectual is pejorative to many right wingers and holds almost as much disdain as “liberal” for that crews talking heads.

Cite someone as a professor at a university and you might as well be calling them a traitor. These overeducated blowhards can not speak for the “common folk” and are held at arms length with contempt.

Our president has furthered this effort, claiming to be a C student (not true – his GPA and Kerry’s at Harvard were the same). Traditionally anti-intellectualism is a platform plank of fundamentalist religions (even though religious orders were one of the first bastions of academia) and right winged politics.

So, basically – you set up a society that distrusts the educated you’re gonna reap what you sow.

Here’s a pretty good article on the phenomena.

“You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.’’ G.W. Bush

Posted by Drumwaster on 10/30/05 at 07:22 PM from United States

Cite someone as a professor at a university and you might as well be calling them a traitor. These overeducated blowhards can not speak for the “common folk” and are held at arms length with contempt.

Rightly so, too. Have you seen some of the nonsense they have been drooling recently? Why, there is this one muttonhead who keeps coming around here pretending to be a Professor, yet he can neither spell nor use grammar correctly, and both punctuation and capitalization are hit-n-miss items on his best days.

And you should SEE some of the nonsense he spits out as political and economic theory…

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 07:48 PM from United States

SOME of the blame falls on the public school system, the majority falls on the parents.

My folks placed a high priority on not having idiots for children, and so they taught me to read, and write and basic math before I reached kindergarten.  And because I was reading The World Book encyclopedia and Encyclopædia Britannica before I was 5, I had a pretty good grasp on History and Science as well.  (Not to mention manners, I had my hide tanned more than once in a store or resturant.  My folks got compliments on me and my brothers manners.)

These days I can’t stand to be around anyone under 30 because most of them seem to be illiterate, babbling, moronic primates.

Posted by on 10/30/05 at 10:06 PM from United States

OK Sal, what then? Just because they hold the title of “Professor” we should all just nod our heads in agreement no matter what?

Pop Culture may be pushing the distain for education, but most people don’t really follow what MTV or Spike TV shows as “Cool”.

And please, Being a Conservative or Christian or both does not make one “Anti-intellectual”. That’s very ignorant of you!

Posted by salinger on 10/30/05 at 11:06 PM from United States

Being a Conservative or Christian or both does not make one “Anti-intellectual”

I agree - there are quite a few conservative and religious intellectuals ( I never said christian - I said fundamentalists - this cuts across theology) as the article I linked to notes.

I also used the qualifier traditionally.

Just because they hold the title of “Professor” we should all just nod our heads in agreement no matter what?

Of course not - but one shouldn’t dismiss the argument they put forth out of hand either. Part of being anti-intellectual is the refusal to hear the argument, instead opting for name calling and obfuscation.

Posted by on 11/01/05 at 03:06 PM from United States

Now, Lee, that’s just not fair.  This cashier is clearly an aberration, someone who has managed to get himself an education which is obviously far superior to that provided by California public schools.  The fact that he was able to actually form letters rather than simply smearing the raincheck with dung is clear evidence that he found alternative educational opportunities.

Posted by on 11/01/05 at 03:15 PM from United States

I’ve been wondering what is up with spelling these days.  I know someone who could have written that.  I learned spelling the rote way, and my cousin. who is a year younger than I, took phonics.  Both of us can spell.

“Coke” is written on the damn can.  Just lazy ...

Posted by on 11/01/05 at 03:23 PM from United States

"I don’t give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way.” - Mark Twain

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