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Communist Net
by Lee

It seems that Yahoo has been helping to crush democracy movements in China.

Reporters Without Borders said it had obtained a copy of the court verdict against Li Zhi (below), a former official jailed for eight years in December 2003, confirming that US firm Yahoo ! collaborated with the prosecution, as did local competitor, Sina.

“The Li Zhi verdict shows that all Internet sector companies are pulled in to help when the police investigate a political dissident,” the press freedom organisation said.

“It is unacceptable that US firms should turn themselves into auxiliaries of a government that systematically tramples on the rights of Internet-users to freedom of expression,” it said.

“Yahoo ! should urgently withdraw its content and email servers from this country before further requests of this kind are made of it. The fact that it operates in China through a local partner, Alibaba, does not in any way absolve it of its ethical responsibilities,” said the organisation.

The verdict showed that Yahoo ! Hong Kong Ltd and Sina Beijing had supplied information confirming that Li Zhi had set up an email account using their services. It did not however say if the content of messages he sent or received had been handed over to the courts.

It also showed that a local telecommunications agency had helped the authorities find Li Zhi’s address and telephone number, based on the IP address used to access Yahoo ! and Sina email boxes.

Some of Li’s emails and transcripts of his discussions on forums on Sina.com formed part of the charges drawn up by the National Security Bureau. The verdict also quoted an article that was posted on his personal website, hosted by Muzi.com, headlined “Why is China lagging behind ?”

Chinese police made use of “witnesses” to confirm that Li was putting the Internet to subversive use. One of them revealed that the official had asked his advice on how to get round online censorship.

Li was accused of getting in touch via the Internet with Xie Wanjun, head of the banned China Democracy Party. A membership form was apparently also found on his computer.

“Somehow I can’t help but feeling that somehow Halliburton and George W. Bush are behind this.”

Posted by Lee on 02/28/06 at 09:42 AM (Discuss this in the forums)


Posted by on 02/28/06 at 10:55 AM from United States

I’m sure I’ll get flamed for this, but this is a good example of one of the flaws of the free market system.  Money trumps all.

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 10:57 AM from Canada

No, Yahoo is an evil far about GWB and Haliburton.  Yahoo is the worst thing to hit the internet since viruses were invented.  Yahoo is programmed and runs like shit.  Any Yahoo component you download will download a whole bunch of other spyware shit you don’t need even when you tell it not to.  Last time I tried to use the Yahoo browser and Yahoo services, my computer stopped booting till I removed Yahoo.  The irony is that I have to support Yahoo products because the company I work for signed a deal with that evil satanic piece of shit.

I am sure the Board of Directors of Yahoo are satan, they eat live puppies and babies for breakfast.

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 10:58 AM from United States

Is it really a flaw? Now that we know the kind of ethics Yahoo! has, we’ll just take our traffic elsewhere. Free market at work.

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 10:58 AM from Canada

Sorry, that should say Yahoo is an evil far above GWB and Haliburton.

The rest stands.

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 10:59 AM from United States

I agree that Yahoo! has turned to shit. I can’t even load Nero without their crappy toolbar embedding itself into my browser. At least I can uninstall it after the fact, which I immediately did.

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 11:14 AM from United States

"Is it really a flaw? Now that we know the kind of ethics Yahoo! has, we’ll just take our traffic elsewhere. Free market at work.”

That’s a very good point, GripeBoy.  I had npt thought it that far out.  I was referring to Yahoo’s decisions to help a communist country stamp out an underground democracy movement.  I’m sure getting a foothold in a growing economy outweighed the ethical quandary.  That’s what worries me.

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 11:22 AM from United States


And they are using the name of a famous fictional arab thief.  Using anything arab to run an American operation is bad, at least that’s what Congress tells me.
Posted by on 02/28/06 at 11:51 AM from United States

In capitalism, what wins?  Freedom or Profit?

Yahoo has provided the answer.

Time to be sadder but wiser.

Oh, and this is NOT a comment favoring socialism, communism, unionism, anthropomorphism, bagism, fagism, you-fill-in-the-ism.

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 12:23 PM from United States

Yahoo’s (and Google’s) efforts to help thwart free speech in China have already caused me to decide not to spend money on their services, as I have done in the past. I probably will try as mch as possible to avoid giving them my money directly.

Also, the feds and state government can and should decide not to purchase their services.

They are getting nothing but grief for their bad decision.  Seen Google’s stock lately?

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 12:29 PM from United States

News flash folks, China is NOT a free country, it does not allow freedom of speech and regulates content on it’s internet. AN American country cannot expect to do business in this environment OUR, with US freedoms, WAY. Otherwise we won’t be allowed to do business there. We may want the internet free and in our country it is, just becauuse China gets Yahoo doesn’t make their people instantly free.

This may be about money it if you want to go that way, but its really about doing business in another country, their rules, their government, their oppression. Yahoo can’t be surprised they would have been asked for info in this way.

I’m not defending Yahoo or their business decsion to go into China, or China. But lets get this into perspective.

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 01:02 PM from United States

Basically Yahoo/Google/etc have 2 choices. They can:

A) Bring their wares to Chinese markets, and at the same time give the Chinese access to tools which they would otherwise not be able to get, but follow Chinese laws, and help the Chinese government find the ones that do get caught.


B) Not do business in China at all, bring less money back to the US from China, and keep the tools entirely out of the hands of the Chinese altogether.


The more Internet services that are available to the Chinese, the better they are going to be. But it’s still China, and the companies that bring these services still have to follow their laws.

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 02:16 PM from United States

Funny how Google and the rest of the Internet services were all in a huff about the U.S. Govt. requesting records in relation to terrorist use of their services. Shrieking about the Bill of Rights, Privacy yada,yada etc.

And in contrast, now help the ChiCom Govt. push people that just express an opposing view under a bus.

Nice to see that these “Stewards” of Free Speech and information have a price

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 02:29 PM from United States

Funny how Google and the rest of the Internet services were all in a huff about the U.S. Govt. requesting records in relation to terrorist use of their services. Shrieking about the Bill of Rights, Privacy yada,yada etc.

It’s pretty simple. When you have the law in your favor, shrieking and not cooperating works. When you don’t have the law in your favor, it generally doesn’t do any good. There is no Bill of Rights in China (atleast not one like ours).

I seriously doubt that Yahoo and Google just say ‘Okay, here you go guys!’ without ever having offered any complaints or concerns in China. But their complaints have no legal standing, and they don’t have a Supreme Court to run to, or even an ACLU.

If the US Government forces Google to give up the records that they didnt want to give up, did you think that Google was going to stop doing business in the US? No, they will grudgingly give up the records, they will continue to do business in the US, and probably warn their users of the privacy risks, just like any other company would. And you can be sure that users of Google and Yahoo in China are being warned of the privacy risks.

Posted by on 02/28/06 at 07:30 PM from United States

Chuang Tzuhoo! (in best yahoo yodel)

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