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Gente de Osama
by Lee

I am a big believer in border security.  When we next get hit by terrorists, and make no mistake we will be hit again, it will be perpetrated by agents who entered this country through our porous southern border.  Every time closing the border is proposed due to national security reasons, the whining maggots always point out that none of the 9/11 hijackers came in through Mexico.  Well, just because it didn’t happen in the past doesn’t mean it can’t happen in the future.  (Nobody had flown planes into buildings before 9/11, had they?) If we can imagine it, the terrorists can imagine it.  And, if this report is any indication, their operations are already underway.

Both Exinia and Nunez eventually pleaded guilty to drug conspiracy charges, including moving more than a quarter-ton of cocaine from Mexico through the Rio Grande Valley and on to New York City. But court documents filed in Exinia’s case contain details of a December 2004 incident where he allegedly tried to secure transportation for 20 Middle Eastern men waiting to enter the U.S. from Puebla, Monterrey and Chiapas in Mexico.

As the Herald reported, “Recorded conversations authorized under the U.S. Patriot Act and a court order captured the (suspect) referring to the 20 men as ‘gente de Osama,’ or ‘Osama’s people.’ “ During a Jan. 5, 2005, conversation, Exinia described the men as “Iraqis,” ages 25 to 33, who were willing to pay $8,000 for transportation past Border Patrol checkpoints in South Texas and into the U.S. interior.

Could they have been terrorists? Coast Guard Adm. James Loy, who was acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security before the swearing-in of Michael Chertoff, told the Senate Intelligence Committee last year: “Several al-Qaida leaders believe operatives can pay their way through Mexico and also believe illegal entry is more advantageous than legal entry for operational security reasons.” Recent information, he added, showed “al-Qaida has considered using the Southwest border to infiltrate the United States.”

Gee, you’d think this would have, ya know, made the front page of every newspaper in America, huh.

In August 2004, as Leo W. Banks reported in the Tucson Weekly, Arizona rancher William Kolbe, brother of Republican Rep. Jim Kolbe, in whose district he lives, was chasing some wild animals off his property when he found a backpack hooked to the barbed wire fence behind their house.
In the backpack was a diary largely written in Arabic. Looking through the book, Mrs. Kolbe noticed two names and two numbers — one listing in Canada, the other in Iran — with the beginning numbers being the international calling codes for those two countries.

Rep. Solomon Ortiz, a Democrat from Corpus Christi and former sheriff of Nuences County, said the information found in court documents underscores the U.S.-Mexico border’s vulnerability to terrorist infiltration. “We know there are terrorist cells in the United States,” he told the Herald. “These guys are coming through the back door.”

Ortiz reports that local ranchers have found clothing native to the Middle East and items such as Sudanese money in the South Texas brush and that al-Qaida is trying to use the MS-13 gang (Mara Salvatruchas) “to move high value al-Qaida operatives across the border for a large sum of money.”

This is why I am a big supporter of the idea of guest workers.  I am enough of a pragmatist to realize that, from an economic standpoint, our country needs unskilled workers who are willing to do shit jobs for dirt cheap.  But I am enough of a realist to understand that we can’t just keep letting them sneak in here.  We need to close the border to illegal traffic, but make it so that those who wish to come to this country and work can do so, provided we know who they are first.  Guest workers are an excellent idea.

Posted by Lee on 01/30/06 at 07:41 PM (Discuss this in the forums)


Posted by Sean Galbraith on 01/30/06 at 09:32 PM from Canada

Lee: Agreed. Make illegal immigration tougher, and legal immigration easier. Stick and carrot.

Looking through the book, Mrs. Kolbe noticed two names and two numbers — one listing in Canada, the other in Iran — with the beginning numbers being the international calling codes for those two countries.

Just thought I would point out that Canada and the USA have the same international calling code. I imagine they just didn’t mention that he also likely looked up the area code.

Posted by HARLEY on 01/30/06 at 09:55 PM from United States

Watch the malls....pack your pistol is you have one......
I’m just suprised it hasnt already happned.

Posted by mikeguas on 01/30/06 at 10:15 PM from United States

Fence first, redoing the visa process second. We already tried a mass amnesty program once to solve the problem, and then we were supposed to get tough on the borders. Nothing happened, as is usual with our Federal government. Now Bush comes along and says let’s just call everyone a guest worker. This asshole has no intention of sealing the borders, because he’s already called those who basically set up a neighborhood watch vigilantes.
That’s right folks. The same guy who says stay vigilant and report suspicious and illegal activity is now calling you a vigilante for doing so. Fuck that asshole. He doesn’t follow through with anything. He’s a fucking turd.

I have no problem with immigration, it’s a great thing for this country, and people from Mexico or anywhere else have a lot more to offer than cleaning a toilet, but it needs to be done in an orderly fashion. Building the fence is the first step, not just handing out cards with tons of loopholes and people abusing the process, which is what this will ultimately become if it is done with his leadership.

Posted by Hal_10000 on 01/31/06 at 12:57 AM from United States

In Texas, we’re having a lot of problems.  there are border town that are basically lawless.  I think they even kllled a sherrif in Laredo.  This is what happens when you de facto allow law-breaking.

I think immigration reform is critical.  my fiance is from Australia and has to jump through amazing hoops and sling out tons of cash so that she will be allowed to do research into detecting hypertension.  I know astrophysicists from South America who are being given the third degree at customs.  But if you want to sneak a tone of coke or—God help us—a ton of explosives across the border, that’s fine.  Stopping you would be racist.

Prediction:  the states will take the lead on this.  Bush has completely wussed out on this.  We’re the ones who are losing our towns to criminals; we’re the ones who will see our building go up in flames if Al-Qaeda gets through; we’re the ones who can’t go into parts of our state for fear of kidnapping, white slavery, rape and murder.  And we will have to be the ones to solve it.  Screw Washington.  They’re not on the front lines.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:34 AM from United Kingdom

I know I’m a leftie, and I know I’m a limey, so you might have to explain slowly on this one..:-)

Aside from the terrorist threat etc etc - surely the situation is this:

1. There is a law (you have to do certain things to legally be allowed into the US)

2. There are measures in place to make sure that no one braeks the law, or gets punished if they do.

3. These measures don’t work.

4. No one is doing anything about it.

So - my question is this - what is the point in the law if no one in power (state or federal) is doing anything to stop it from being broken?

And surely the person that pledges to sort this out gets huge support?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:30 AM from United States

No Texas politician, of any party, will touch immigration reform and the border.  It would be politcal suicide.  Things are out of control along the border, and it is damn time someone did something about it.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:33 AM from United States


Anit-gun people keep saying we need more laws in this country.  What we really need is to enforce the ones already on the books.  Same with immigration, IMO.

Dave D.

Posted by BKAY on 01/31/06 at 09:35 AM from United States

Cress, your points are basically correct, the problems are 2.

1) The lack of federal support for a long term viable and effective approach.


And surely the person that pledges to sort this out gets huge support?

Not necessarily true, there are people here who feel closing the borders is bad; ie racist, classist, or just rude.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:55 AM from United Kingdom

I really don’t for an instance understand why anyone is opposed to closing the border. Why do leftish groups think that it’s good for Mexicans that the way they get into the United States involes them a) risking their lives and b) suject to huge potential abuses when they get to the US because they are illegal. Rediculous.

Close the borders and set up some sort of legal immigration policy that actually works. It’s hardly rocket science.

Posted by Lee on 01/31/06 at 10:23 AM from United States

Why do leftish groups think that it’s good for Mexicans that the way they get into the United States involes them a) risking their lives and b) suject to huge potential abuses when they get to the US because they are illegal.

Because illegal aliens need free government goodies, and the party which gives out the free government goodies is the Democrats.  In other words, illegal immigrants provide a need for perpetuating the welfare state, and since the welfare state is in large part one of the reasons the Democrats have any power at all, illegals are essential to maintaining Democratic power.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 11:06 AM from United States

Hence the demand for illegals to be allowed to vote, use the schools, get welfare, Social Security, all the bells and whistles.  Guvment cheeze equates to votes........

And an enslaved lower clasee beholden to your party equates to long-term political power.

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