Right Thinking From The Left Coast
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I want a government shutdown!

Know first that the budget we are having problems with was/is the 2010 budget, not the 2011 one. Yeah, that’s when the democrats owned all 3 branches of government, with comfortable enough margins to push through whatever they wanted. They hung the costly yoke of Obamacare around the tax payer’s neck, in a practically party line vote, and then only after promising billions of dollars & oodles special exclusions and favors to other democrats that needed to be bought to get them to go along, without a problem. They didn’t even care when people pointed out how disastrous the extra spending for Obamacare would be, or how big of a job killer the government takeover of healthcare and the new taxes they plan to add to cover some of this massive spending would be. Obamacare wasn’t the only idiotic and unpopular bill they had the time to pass, nor the only stupid shit they wanted and got done. Everyone was screamed about jobs and the last thing on their minds was that. But that 2010 budget? With the elections not to far away? No freaking way!

So in order to avoid the consequences and obvious lash back from the American people at the polls, because of another multi trillion dollar deficit spending budget bill that only served to enrich demcorats and their special interests, they basically decided not to do a budget at all and to fund the government with incremental bills that would allow them to hide the depths of their depravity. It certainly helped some of them from the beat down – Harry Reid, the current asshole holding everything up, for sure – that the 2010 elections brought to the donkey party. With republicans handily taking over the House, they donkeys knew they would be in trouble, but counted on Reid to do their dirty work, and he has so far done it, limiting the cuts the new freshman Tea Partiers are demanding.

So now Harry and Chuck (Shumer) have decided that they can recreate the famous 1995 shutdown that turned people away from the republican party and into the lecherous hands of Clinton, with help from their friends in the MSM of course, by actually forcing a government shutdown. It’s their Hail Marry play. One they are choosing to go with because they likely have concluded that that their current strategy of accepting the short term spending bills in the long run was going to cripple them anyway, with no discernable benefits at the polls come the next election. The rhetoric - and all the accusations that these cuts are extreme and the faux concern for how these “extreme” cuts will cost jobs, is plain and simple rhetoric & posturing, from people that didn’t give a flying fook about jobs or anything but expanding their own power while they had control of all 3 branches of government, and nothing else – is bullshit. If the $12 billion cut the republicans want in the current short term bill is such a big deal, when we are running annual deficits in the trillions, then we as a nation are doomed. The House has passed a bill. The Senate, controlled by Reid, is playing games in the hopes it can score them points like it did in 1995. The MSM has been carrying their water, but they don’t control the news cycle anymore like they did then. So let the damned demcorats force a shutdown.

Hammer home the fact that this is the 2010 budget. Hammer home the fact they have tacked on $5.2 trillion of new debt in these last few short years they controlled the purse. Hammer home how the current rate of spending is unsustainable. Hammer home how we are all going to suffer far worse because of them. Hammer home how their boy wonder is giving a new definition to the word inept. But most importantly hammer home the fact that without even bigger cuts, we are talking trillions over the next decade, not some piddle tens of billions – that we are doomed to an economic collapse, and then sooner than later. The MSM will fail trying to only get out the donkey talking points, like they did the last election, anyway.

I hope Harry doesn’t blink. Really. I want this shut down. We need it so we can put some perspective on how useless most of those that are part of this bloated government machine is anyway. I want these morons to keep thinking they are going to get the same as they did in 1995 only to get another beat down like the 2010 elections. They need to be taken apart and blamed for the damage they have done so this country has a chance to get things back in order. So yeah, SHUT IT DOWN!

Posted by AlexinCT on 04/06/11 at 01:28 PM (Discuss this in the forums)

Comments


Posted by Hal_10000 on 04/06/11 at 02:50 PM from United States

I think a shutdown would be a huge mistake.  it would burn the GOP’s political capital over about $12 billion in budget cuts instead of the $4 trillion in cuts needed for long term debt.  You and I might not have trouble with a shutdown, but the vast majority of independent voters (55-80%, depending on poll) are against.  I know it would feel good to “get” the Democrats, but we have to play for bigger stakes.

Remember—we LOST in 1995.  And we’ve been paying for it ever since.  Pass the FY 2011 budget with whatever cut you can get, declare victory and throw everything you can into the Ryan plan.  That’s the real struggle.

Posted by AlexinCT on 04/06/11 at 04:28 PM from United States

I think a shutdown would be a huge mistake.  it would burn the GOP’s political capital over about $12 billion in budget cuts instead of the $4 trillion in cuts needed for long term debt.  You and I might not have trouble with a shutdown, but the vast majority of independent voters (55-80%, depending on poll) are against.  I know it would feel good to “get” the Democrats, but we have to play for bigger stakes.

If we do not have the ability to win the showdown over this measly $12 billion, and the demcorats get to crow about stoping the repbulicans and there “extreme” tactics, we can kiss that $4 trillion fight goodbye, Hal. Seriously. How can republcans say they are serious about deficit reduction when they let the demcorats beat them back on $12, a drop in the bucket?

Posted by on 04/06/11 at 04:46 PM from United States

If the GOP does their spin and PR right, they can totally own the libtards if it goes to a shutdown. 

Right now they are framing Obama as a petulant child that prefers to dictate terms - they could easily run with that as Obama gives them plenty of ammunition.  Don’t be surprised if Obama ends up giving his own version of the “Malaise Speech” before this is all over.

Posted by Hal_10000 on 04/06/11 at 08:06 PM from United States

Alex, it’s called choosing your battles.  You give the Democrats $12 billion now so you can take $4 trillion later.  It’s like the fights over funding NPR or Planned Parenthood.  The house is burning down and we’re arguing over whose turn it was to make the bed.

Let the babies have their bottle.

Posted by Manwhore on 04/07/11 at 02:59 AM from United States

Wow, Hal never fails at taking the wrong side: I totally expected to hear “hey, let them do what they want, why fight over 30 billion dollars in cuts!” Here’s the thing, the democrats are rampantly spending beyond our means, enacting bills we have no hope of paying for and entering us into wars on top of wars that we scoured Bush on this blog for doing (uh, remember how we all said Iraq was useless-can’t imagine how much more than Lybia).

Fast forward to 2011, and now we want to take it easy on the dems for spending like Paris Hilton with her grandfather’s credit card, defending NPR, Planned Parenthood, and being proponents of AGW taxation (via a cap and trade tax).

Let the babies have their bottle.

They have since 2008. I’m surprised at your level headedness about it. To be sure, Obama still has Gitmo open for torture, still has death squads running in Afghanistan, flies drones into Pakistan to kill people (something you would’ve hung bush out to dry for), hasn’t addressed the slightest austerity measure, improved teh space program, fixed schools, increased rights, et cetera, et cetera.

Why any excuses are made for Obama or democrats on this blog, at this point, are astounding to me. I’d love to hear what would be cooked up here if Glenn Beck got a spot on NPR. I could imagine it, but I wold love to confirm it.

Posted by AlexinCT on 04/07/11 at 07:02 AM from United States

Alex, it’s called choosing your battles.  You give the Democrats $12 billion now so you can take $4 trillion later.

You purposefully missing the point that if you give them that $12 billion now the battle for the $4 trillion becomes near impossible to justify, Hal? Please explain to me how after the republicans let the demcorats win the argument that piddly $12 billion cut - in a budget they did not pass a year ago when they controlled all branches of government, and with enough votes to push whatever agenda they wanted - because that insignificant cut when juxtaposed to the near $6.2 trillion dollar the government is set to spend this year, constitutes “extreme and draconian” measures, pushed by crazy Tea Partiers that want to wreck the economy and kill jobs of all things, they have a way to win a fight to cut $4 trillion? Because once the demcorats can say they blocked the evil Tea Party maniacs from getting that $12 billion draconian and extreme cut, anything over that number is going to be too much.

It’s like the fights over funding NPR or Planned Parenthood.  The house is burning down and we’re arguing over whose turn it was to make the bed.

Not even close. To stick with your analogy, the proper comparison would be that they are not arguing over who makes the bed, but that they are arguing over the fact that the demcorats want to use gasoline and dynamite to put the fire out instead of water.

Let the babies have their bottle.

And lose any ground you have to make the case that we need to give up on the farm they also want but we can’t afford.

Posted by Hal_10000 on 04/07/11 at 04:41 PM from United States

You purposefully missing the point that if you give them that $12 billion now the battle for the $4 trillion becomes near impossible to justify, Hal?

Yes, that’s exactly what happened the last time the government shut down.  Everyone rallied to our cause and we sliced trillions out of the budget and overhauled entitlements.

Oh wait, the opposite happened.

The GOP has a certain amount of political capital to spend before the public gets tired of them.  I would prefer they expend it where the returns are the greatest.

Posted by AlexinCT on 04/07/11 at 05:02 PM from United States

Yes, that’s exactly what happened the last time the government shut down.  Everyone rallied to our cause and we sliced trillions out of the budget and overhauled entitlements.

Oh wait, the opposite happened.

Did you miss the point I amde about hwo the MSM that helped the left do this no longer control the news? And that republicans this time have absolutely awesome arguments to make about why this is all the fault of the demcorats? That the American people want government to reign in spoending according to the shallacking the spenders took in 2010?

The GOP has a certain amount of political capital to spend before the public gets tired of them.  I would prefer they expend it where the returns are the greatest.

If you can’t win the fight over a piddly $12 billion you stand ZERO chance to win one where you want to cut trillions. That the argument applies equally to both should be obvious. If you can’t make it for the piddly and insignificant amount in question though, forget real cuts.

I am not trying to be a dick about this. I am serious that we either make our case or we fold. There isn’t a choice of battles to win here. If we fold on this one, we lose.

Posted by HARLEY on 04/07/11 at 05:44 PM from United States

Yes, that’s exactly what happened the last time the government shut down.  Everyone rallied to our cause and we sliced trillions out of the budget and overhauled entitlements.

This is NOT 1995, and the libs, do not have a death lock on the media.

Posted by Hal_10000 on 04/07/11 at 05:53 PM from United States

Apparently, the disagreement is not even over amounts any more, but about defunding planned parenthood and NPR.  This is not financial anymore, this is ideological.  It’s about “getting” conservative bete noires.

You’re right, Harley. It’s not 1995.  The public is going to be a lot LESS patient with the GOP.

And I don’t buy this line that it was the MSM that cost us the 1995 budget battle.  Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity were going strong then.  Clinton was even less popular than Obama.  The simple fact is that while shutdowns appeal to the GOP base, they turn off the independent voters the GOP needs to win elections.

Posted by HARLEY on 04/07/11 at 06:11 PM from United States

The Strength of right leaning media on the internet, is vastly stronger nowadays. I think that will make a large difference, today.

The public is going to be a lot LESS patient with the GOP.

I have no problem with that, as long as teh GOP responds by actually cutting the budget, and doing what is in the best interests of this nation. If they fuck up, and blow this, then they deserve the ass kicking.

Posted by Hal_10000 on 04/07/11 at 06:13 PM from United States

Let me put it this way as to why I think a govt shutdown will make the passage of a real budget bill less likely:

Imagine you’re not a political junkie, but a typical American who pays some attention to politics.  The shutdown begins.  If your military, your paycheck is delayed, maybe enough to cause problems.  If you’re poor, your EITC check doesn’t appear.  If you’re a contractor, you’re furloughed. Some government services are shut down and unavailable.  The airwaves are filled with screaming.  The Democrats and Republicans are blue in the face.

Finally, a deal is reached for $10 billion more in cuts.  What is your reaction going to be when you hear, “That’s just the beginning.  We’re now going to cut 400 times that amount.”

The public has a limited tolerance for political fights.  Let’s no exhaust it over pennies.  This is precisely the kind of trap the GOP fell into during the Bush years—making “tough” stances o fuck the Democrats as hard as the could to please the base.  And then losing the independent and Reagan Democrats and subsequently the government.  The so wore the public out with their shrieking over trivia that there was simply no support left to, say, fix Social Security.

Put a fork in FY2011 and move onto bigger things.

Posted by HARLEY on 04/07/11 at 06:56 PM from United States

Put a fork in FY2011 and move onto bigger things.

So, roll over on this so the GOP can just roll over later. or worse yet, break their promise to us and go soft, thinking they can get away with not presueing major cuts, because it was soooo unpopular the first time.
HAL, im not trying to bust your chops or be a ass, im just fuckig worried that the GOP will renig, on what they promised, by using the cover “ It was not popular with some of the independents! And we need them to win in 2012.”

At some point the cuts are gonna hurt everyone. there is no way out of this mess that is painless.
Agh this is so fucking frustrating, the GOP is spineless, the Democrats are ona highway to socialist hell, and the citizenry are only concerned about the $$ in their pocket right now.

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