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Oh Here They Are!
by Lee

You know those Iraqi WMD we couldn’t find?  We were looking in the wrong place.

Workers found vials believed to contain the poison gas phosgene at a U.N. office building in New York Thursday.

U.N. archivists for UNMOVIC, the U.N. chemical weapons agency, unexpectedly turned up samples of material from an Iraqi chemical weapons plant in old files.

The samples were in weapons inspectors’ files dating back to the 1990s, but the substance is not believed to pose any immediate danger, U.N. officials said Thursday.

And where did this shit come from?

The material was taken from al-Muthanna chemical weapons plant north of Baghdad. The samples are sealed and have been there since 1996.

This is why I, and many other people, supported the war in the first place.

Posted by Lee on 08/30/07 at 12:36 PM (Discuss this in the forums)

Comments


Posted by John Cross on 08/30/07 at 12:41 PM from United States

Question...why in the holy FRAK would samples of WMD’s not be stored in some secure and guarded area, as opposed to inside a office file folder? 

And we give these people $500 million dollars...for what reason?

Posted by Brian at Tomfoolery on 08/30/07 at 12:58 PM from United States

John,

This is the U.N. we are talking about.  They need that case because Spago is pricey.

Posted by on 08/30/07 at 02:24 PM from United States

“The only information we have of the contents of that bag is from an inventory of a 1996 inspection which indicates that one of the items may contain phosgene, an old generation chemical warfare agent.”

In 1996 they had WWII era chemical agents? Whew! Good thing we turned it into a failed state harboring tens of thousands of terrorists, Iraq really could have been a problem for us…

Posted by Akula on 08/30/07 at 02:41 PM from United States

Because as we all know, WWII era chemical agents are not even remotely effective at killing anything, especially humans, and epecially not in a dense urban area.

I mean WWII weapons in general are pretty much worthless. If you get shot with an M1 Garand, it will just bounce off… because it’s a WWII era weapon. We still have the .50 BMGs, but they are only for show, beacuse WWII era weapons aren’t effective for anything.

Posted by on 08/30/07 at 03:36 PM from United States

OTOH, phosgene is a very common chemical used to make urethane isocyanates and some pharma intermediates.

Posted by InsipiD on 08/30/07 at 03:57 PM from United States

In 1996 they had WWII era chemical agents? Whew! Good thing we turned it into a failed state harboring tens of thousands of terrorists, Iraq really could have been a problem for us…

Who let him back in here?  Don’t forget that WWII is when we invented nukes, otherwise known as “the good shit.”

Posted by Manwhore on 08/30/07 at 04:04 PM from United States

In 1996 they had WWII era chemical agents? Whew! Good thing we turned it into a failed state harboring tens of thousands of terrorists, Iraq really could have been a problem for us…

those ‘old’ containers of mustard gas didn’t seem to do much to the Kurds. We should just walk on by.

Posted by Lee on 08/30/07 at 04:23 PM from United States

In 1996 they had WWII era chemical agents? Whew! Good thing we turned it into a failed state harboring tens of thousands of terrorists, Iraq really could have been a problem for us…

Mustard gas is a WWI era chemical agent.  It’s ancient.  Go ahead, Hazey, take a big lung full of it.

Posted by HARLEY on 08/30/07 at 04:47 PM from United States

Mustard gas is a WWI era chemical agent.  It’s ancient.  Go ahead, Hazey, take a big lung full of it.

or how about some RAID insecticide at 100% concentration.

Posted by InsipiD on 08/30/07 at 06:36 PM from United States

or how about some RAID insecticide at 100% concentration.

Don’t waste your time.  That stuff didn’t do anything to Tony Soprano.

Posted by on 08/30/07 at 06:42 PM from United States

Yeah one thing those countless NBC classes I had to endure so many times taught me is that some of the chemical stuff, no matter how ancient, is even much more brutal than even “the good shit.”

In fact, if you are so lucky to survive the initial incinerating blast of a nuke, it’s much easier to survive in an area with radiation lurking about than something truly nasty like VX.  *shudders*

Chemical Warfare, it’ll mess you up.

Posted by InsipiD on 08/30/07 at 06:43 PM from United States

OTOH, phosgene is a very common chemical used to make urethane isocyanates and some pharma intermediates.

I’m sure that Iraq was the world’s #1 supplier…

Posted by ? on 08/30/07 at 07:04 PM from United States

I have never head of urethane isocyanates but i have heard of phosogene.  It is made by combining nitric and hydrochloric acid. I think it is safe to say any first year chemistry student could make this and i think it a reach to call it a WMD. Clorine gas is more deadly than phosogene.

I just dont get calling chemical weapoms like mustard gas WMD.  Atomic or specific biological weapons should be classified as WMD but are WWI class chemical weapons really WMD.  I guess you could say in extremely large amounts of WWI chemical weapons could be described as WMD.  Bush never really said Iraq had WMD he said iraq had “massive amounts of WMD” including as i recall something like 200 tons of chemical weapons.  I geuss they were hiding 200 tons of deadly chemicals in those huge underground caves we heard so much about.

david

Posted by on 08/31/07 at 08:27 AM from United States

have never head of urethane isocyanates but i have heard of phosogene.  It is made by combining nitric and hydrochloric acid.

Nope!  It is made by combining carbon monoxide with chlroine.  Where is the carbon in nitric acid and HCl?  Phosgene is COCl2.  And urethane isocyantes are used to make polyurethane foams, which are in things like mattresses and seat cushions.

I think it is safe to say any first year chemistry student could make this and i think it a reach to call it a WMD. Clorine gas is more deadly than phosogene.

Phosgene just as toxic as chlorine.  It RELEASES chlorine upon reacting with water (either in your lungs or in the air).  It can also react directly with lots of biomolecules like protiens and DNA, so it can do even worse things.  Also, NO first year chemistry student could make it from nitric and hycrochloric acid becasue that’s not how you make it!  Also, no undergrad chem student would have access to pure chlorine gas OR carbon monoxide in any of the labs they use. 

I just dont get calling chemical weapoms like mustard gas WMD.  Atomic or specific biological weapons should be classified as WMD but are WWI class chemical weapons really WMD.  I guess you could say in extremely large amounts of WWI chemical weapons could be described as WMD.  Bush never really said Iraq had WMD he said iraq had “massive amounts of WMD” including as i recall something like 200 tons of chemical weapons.  I geuss they were hiding 200 tons of deadly chemicals in those huge underground caves we heard so much about.

Modern mustard agents are VERY nasty. Sarin and Tabun paralyze you on skin/lung contact and eventually you suffocate.  They are acetylcholinesterase inhibitors.  Chlorine and Phosgene (both used in WW1) kill by attacking the lung lining cells, usually followed by massive plumonary edema and heart failure.  Both are NOT very effective in humid conditions, as they hydrolyze in the air.  I think you are sorely mistaken if you think that they are NOT dangerous WMD when used in warefare on unprotected troops.

Posted by on 08/31/07 at 10:46 AM from United States

And the Iraqis were smart enough to forward deploy their entire stockpile in a file folder at UN HQ in NYC! Just imagine the regional threat this poses!

The dittohead blogsphere is taking a beating over this, I love it.

Posted by on 08/31/07 at 11:33 AM from United States

My point was that phosgene is COMMONLY used in production of pharmaceuticals, agro chemicals and polyurethane chemicals.  Posession of it does not PROVE that it was intented for WMD manfacture.

Posted by on 09/06/07 at 10:53 AM from United States

The punch line: it was all bullshit.

I wonder how many dittoheads suffer from carpal tunnel due to excessive straw grasping?

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