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by Lee

Canada refuses to face reality.

Canadian officials, seeking to make sense of another fatal shooting in what has been a record year for gun-related deaths, said Tuesday that along with a host of social ills, part of the problem stemmed from what they said was the United States exporting its violence.

Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Toronto Mayor David Miller warned that Canada could become like the United States after gunfire erupted Monday on a busy street filled with holiday shoppers, killing a 15-year-old girl and wounding six bystanders—the latest victims in a record surge in gun violence in Toronto.

The shooting stemmed from a dispute among a group of 10 to 15 youth, and the victim was a teenager out with a parent near a popular shopping mall, police said Tuesday.

“I think it’s a day that Toronto has finally lost its innocence,” Det. Sgt. Savas Kyriacou said. “It was a tragic loss and tragic day.”

While many Canadians take pride in Canadian cities being less violent than their American counterparts, Toronto has seen 78 murders this year, including a record 52 gun-related deaths—almost twice as many as last year.

“What happened yesterday was appalling. You just don’t expect it in a Canadian city,” the mayor said.

“It’s a sign that the lack of gun laws in the U.S. is allowing guns to flood across the border that are literally being used to kill people in the streets of Toronto,” Miller said.

Miller said Toronto, a city of nearly three million, is still very safe compared to most American cities, but the illegal flow of weapons from the United States is causing the noticeable rise in gun violence.

“The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto,” he said.

There are a number of things at work here.  The first is that the Canadian social welfare system, which they hold up as being a model for the world in its ability to provide for the needy and thus reduce the “need” for people to turn to crime, is failing.  The second is the belief that guns cause crime, when crime is a symptom of social failure and guns are merely the most convenient tool with which to do the job.  The third is that Canada’s gun registry has been a monumental failure, despite costing roughly fifteen times the original estimate.  The fourth is that this is an election year, and rather than speak honestly to the Canadian public about any of these issues, Canadian politicians are falling back on the most trusty old sawhorse in their political arsenal:  blame America. 

“It’s not aboot us, eh.  Our problems aren’t our own.  We’ve got a social welfare system and free health care.  We love each other.  We don’t lock our doors.  If we’re having a problem with guns and gang violence, it just can’t be our fault.  It’s those damn hoser Americans, isn’t it!  With their guns and their cowboy president and their love of violence.  You know what America needs?  It needs to be more Canada-like.  If they followed our lead and implemented a social welfare system and gave everyone free health care, then their crime rate would drop… like ours.  Oh.”

The rise in Canadian crime is a failure of the Canadian system, and has nothing to do with rates of gun ownership in America.  Yes, the guns going into Canada are coming from America, but this is because the criminal element in Canada is creating a demand for them.  This is EXACTLY the same dynamic that gun rights advocates in America use to point out the inherent stupidity of gun control laws: when you pass a law against guns, criminals will be the only armed people, because by the very definition of the term criminals do not follow laws.  Canada seems to think that by disarming the law-abiding public somehow this will keep weapons out of the hands of criminal gangs, when this idea is absolutely absurd on its face. 

Canada.  Where real progress is always impeded by a pathological need to blame everything on America.

Posted by Lee on 12/28/05 at 09:02 AM (Discuss this in the forums)


Posted by on 12/28/05 at 10:34 AM from United States

But AmeriKKKa is eeeeevilllll!

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 10:44 AM from United States

Celine Dion abandoned Canada for America years ago. The lyrics to “A New Day Has Come” display her distaste for Canada always bitching about America culture and her embrace of it and American gun laws.

Hush, now

I see a light in the sky
Oh, it’s almost blinding me
I can’t believe
I’ve been touched by an angel with love

Let the rain come down and wash away my tears
Let it fill my soul and drown my fears
Let it shatter the walls for a new sun

A new day has… come

Where it was dark now there’s light
Where there was pain now there’s joy
Where there was weakness, I found my strength
All in the eyes of a boy

Hush, now

Posted by Nethicus on 12/28/05 at 10:51 AM from United States

I saw this article and it pissed me off too.  This part of his speech amazed me.  Right after putting to the US for screwing up the paradise of Toronto, he says this:

“There are neighborhoods in Toronto where young people face barriers of poverty, discrimination and don’t have real hope and opportunity. The kind of programs that we once took for granted in Canada that would reach out to young people have systematically disappeared over the past decade and I think that gun violence is a symptom of a much bigger problem,” Miller said.

Why not just say this at first?  What a dick.  America sucks!  But, hey, it’s really a social problem.  But if it weren’t for guns from America, we’d see more stabbings, and stabbings aren’t that bad.

I’ll be happy when the liberals get handed their hats in the next election.

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 11:45 AM from United States

What they are saying is if it weren’t for the freedom in America then the Canadian government would be able to cover up the social inequality that is rampant there.  But, since the criminal gangs take part in the black market the government created, the government has to address the problem head on.

But wait, they can just blame America and and not be blamed for sweeping the failure of socialism under the carpet.

Posted by InsipiD on 12/28/05 at 12:58 PM from United States

When will Canada/Canadians realize that the United States is not an example of the worst things about the world, nor the source of their problems?  Just as Americans realized that the “Blame Canada” song in South Park was absurd, Canadians must realize that blaming the US is silly as well.  If crime is on the rise in Toronto, it’s not because Americans came up there and committed it just for fun.  It’s their problems, their causes, and their people who are making Toronto a more dangerous place.  Ted Nugent, Charleton Heston, and I are not causing gun violence in Canada.

Posted by Hal_10000 on 12/28/05 at 01:03 PM from United States

I blogged earlier on this subject, as well.  The funny thing is that the Canadian response contradicts itself all over the place.  The Toronto mayor blamed this on poverty and discrimination—a funny complaint for a socialist paradise!  And how precisely is a gun ban supposed to eliminate barriers of poverty and discrimination?

There are many many people in this country who insist that poverty and discrimination are the cause of crime. But in the 1930’s, we were poorer than all get out and discrimination was at its worst. So why was there no explosion of crime during the Great Depression? My father’s family had a maid who lived in a primarily poor and black neighborhood. My grandparents thought nothing of him giving her a lift home. Today, only a fool would send their child there. Is there more poverty and discrimination now than there was during the 1950’s?

The Canadians are seeing violence rise for the same reason it has risen here—a complex interplay of cultural issues, at least one of which is a side affect of their own welfare state.

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 01:13 PM from United States

Bush lied, Candians died!!! any bets on how long it will be until that is the new mantra?

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 01:32 PM from United States

Well… The sad fact for lefties is that crime has decreased. I fall for all the bad news spread by newspapers too. When they have an article that insinuates that crime is totally out of control, and its tough to remember they are totally lying.

The “Crime in California, 2004” report shows a 5.2 percent decrease in the violent crime rate and an 0.9 percent increase in the property crime rate compared to 2003. All major crime categories including arson decreased, except motor vehicle theft which increased 2.7 percent and larceny-theft over $400 which remained the same as last year.
Other violent crime rate highlights include:
• Homicide (1.2 percent of violent crimes) decreased 3.0 percent.
• Forcible rape (4.9 percent of violent crimes) decreased 5.1 percent.
• Robbery (31.2 percent of violent crimes) decreased 4.9 percent.
• Aggravated assault (62.7 percent of violent crimes) decreased 5.5 percent.

2004 Crime Summary Press Release

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 02:56 PM from Canada

As a once proud Canadian I can say yet again that my country has embarrassed me.  Canadians are a soulless people who have nothing to distinguish or unite them except for their irrational hatred of America.  The current gun violence is a DIRECT result of the lack of enforcement of Marijuana laws.  The pot is produced up here and shipped to the US for guns and coke and legalizing Marijuana will only increase this.

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 03:00 PM from United States

What they are saying is if it weren’t for the freedom in America then the Canadian government would be able to cover up the social inequality that is rampant there.

Socialists will argue that socialism only truly works when all countries are socialist. If it weren’t for the evil capitalists exploiting the poor around the world, everything would be just fine. Funny thing is capitalism works just fine despite the other forms. Tell me which is superior.

When your system is destined for failure, you better have a kick-ass, catch-all excuse.

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 03:04 PM from United States

The current gun violence is a DIRECT result of the lack of enforcement of Marijuana laws.

Can you back this statement up with some facts that lead you to this conclusion?

BTW, I’m also an ex-Canadian.  I gave up on them along time ago.  It’s Looserville.  All the good Canadians move to the US.

Posted by HARLEY on 12/28/05 at 03:05 PM from United States

they just had a canuck on FOX news blabbering about this subject.
his mantra was WE love America we look up to you, but you have no gun laws which cause crime in Canada.

Oh and this little GEM....
“Random shootings occur nowhere else in the world other than the USA.”
what a fucking tool

He also claimed pride of the Canadian health care system, just right after the Host of the show stated that the Canadian health care system was falling apart.

He also made teh old claim taht any one can buy a gun on the internet..... hmmmm

Of course this guy is dead set aginst violance and such, but he admits that he owns a gun too…

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 03:45 PM from United States

He also made teh old claim taht any one can buy a gun on the internet..... hmmmm

Shit, now it’s the internet’s fault.  Canada needs to pick a scape goat and stick with it, this is too rough on my ADD.

Pretty soon everything will be responsible for Canada’s woes and then the only humane thing left would be euthanasia.  Hockey just wouldn’t be good anymore without the Canadians.

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 03:55 PM from United States

If it’s the internet’s fault, doesn’t that mean we can blame Al Gore?  After all, he’s the one that invented it…

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 03:57 PM from United States

The pot is produced up here and shipped to the US for guns and coke and legalizing Marijuana will only increase this.

Guns and coke will become valid currency if pot is legalized? I’m confused.

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 06:17 PM from Canada

I would be very happy if someone had a concrete way to make every loser in the world take responsibility for his/her own actions.  Most Canadians would rather blame the US then own up to our own failed policies.  You can’t have a conversation in Canada without slipping in a little anti-americanism.  That tool Martin is proof of that when he went to discuss Canada’s dismal failure at Kyoto, then starts on the Anti-American hype.  The sad this is, that’s the most Canadian thing you’ll ever see.

If I had one Christmas wish, it wouldn’t be for world peace or some lame assed slogan like that.  I want everyone, Canadians in general, Canadian politicians specifically, and the people of the world to learn how to take responsibility for their own actions.

Posted by on 12/28/05 at 07:45 PM from United States

But, I thought Canada was “America done right”?

Considering that the US has more gun laws than most other places combined, methinks yon Canadian official is a lying sack of shit.  Besides, more guns = less crime, as any reasonable person can tell you.

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 12/28/05 at 08:34 PM from United States

Canada become more like the United States?

They wish. They don’t have the balls.

Posted by on 12/29/05 at 01:58 AM from Canada

Guns and coke will become valid currency if pot is legalized? I’m confused.

I am not sure what you don’t get it is quite simple.  Currently pot is produced in Canada by street gangs and it is then sold in the US.  The gangs bring back coke and guns in return.  Legalizing pot will not change this paradigm.  In fact I have speculated that the rise in gun violence in Canada is a result of a lack of enforcement of the current marijuana laws hence the guns.

Posted by on 12/29/05 at 06:48 AM from United States


I don’t follow your logic.  On the contrary, it seems to me that if pot were legalized in Canada then the gangs wouldn’t need guns to enforce their contracts etc.  They could use the courts out in the open.  Therefor it seems to me that gun violence (in Canada) would drop if Canadians legalized pot.

I guess they would have to legalize coke too or the gangs would still need the guns to do business.

Posted by on 12/29/05 at 08:55 AM from United States

You know, Prohibition would have worked if it wasn’t for Canadians sending hooch south.  Now it’s pot.  IF (big IF) the US was “reponsible” for gun crime by sending guns north, fair’s fair then.

Posted by InsipiD on 12/29/05 at 06:09 PM from United States

You know, Prohibition would have worked if it wasn’t for Canadians sending hooch south.

That’s giving Canada wayyyy too much credit, then and now.  Pot is grown all over the place, just as stills were everywhere.

Posted by on 12/30/05 at 02:58 PM from United States

Would the Canadians be happier if the victims of homicide were pushed out of windows rather than shot with a gun?  How about death by hatchet or axe?

And, just who IS responsible for exporting violence, if anyone?  Hollyweed?

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