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Up Your Butt, Sotu
by Lee

Okay, I’m still at work.  Liveblog the SOTU in this post.  Boo yah!

Posted by Lee on 01/31/06 at 07:04 PM (Discuss this in the forums)

Comments


Posted by Bunkergurl on 01/31/06 at 08:08 PM from United States

Well, that didn’t take long.

Buh-bye Cindy!

Posted by Akula on 01/31/06 at 08:14 PM from United States

haahahahahaha

Posted by Lee on 01/31/06 at 08:16 PM from United States

Bush just said “doodies”.  Heh… doody.  He’s funny.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:18 PM from United States

She must have taken the bag off.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:18 PM from United States

Wonder whose guest she was.....

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:20 PM from United States

According to NBC11 in the Bay Area she was the guest of Congresswoman Lynn Woosley.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:21 PM from United States

Ooohhh...nice smack to the French and Germans.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:21 PM from United States

According to Hugh Hewitt -

California Congressman Lynn Woosley has invited Cindy Sheehan to sit in the gallery.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:21 PM from United States

Isn’t Woosley the rep who’s calling for Bush’s impeachment?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:22 PM from United States

According to NBC11 in the Bay Area she was the guest of Congresswoman Lynn Woosley.

Gee, what a surprise.....[/sarcasm]

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:23 PM from United States

Dont forget to encourage Cindy to challenge DiFi for her Senate seat.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:23 PM from United States

Another smack...to the “bring ‘em home now” crowd.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:24 PM from United States

Will she ever go away?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:30 PM from United States

Will she ever go away?

God, I hope not!  She’s the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by Loud on 01/31/06 at 08:33 PM from United States

I guess I don’t get it… he keeps getting cheap-shots for saying “nu-cu-lar,” you know, but… he keeps saying it that way.  How hard is it for an aide to coach him on how to say “nuclear?” Really, I don’t care how he pronounces it, I’m just saying…

Posted by Bunkergurl on 01/31/06 at 08:33 PM from United States

Good. He’s giving examples of our humanitarian efforts overseas, and how this will make the country safer.

Too bad Cindy isn’t hearing this.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:34 PM from United States

Maybe he’s just being true to himself.

BTW, anyone hear any pots & pans?  (crickets chirping)

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:34 PM from United States

He doesn’t care about the way he says “nuclear”.  He has more important issues.  And he is coming out strong and to the point tonight on them, too, it seems.  Already putting dems in their place and talking directly to Iran.

Posted by Bunkergurl on 01/31/06 at 08:35 PM from United States

No but you just reminded me I have to start the dishwasher Surfy!

Posted by Bunkergurl on 01/31/06 at 08:35 PM from United States

"And not wait to get hit again”.

I LOVE this Dubya!

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:37 PM from United States

That smirk on Shrillary was priceless.

Posted by Bunkergurl on 01/31/06 at 08:39 PM from United States

The smirk on my face when she loses New York in the primaries will be priceless.

Posted by Loud on 01/31/06 at 08:41 PM from United States

Slash that budget, yo!

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:41 PM from United States

Besides, joeloud, we Texans have our own way of speaking.  It is the rest of you who pronounce words incorrectly. :)

Posted by Miguelito on 01/31/06 at 08:42 PM from United States

Gah.. “some say immigrants are bad for the economy..” No, some of us say ILLEGAL immigrants are breaking the law and shouldn’t be given the rights that citizens have.

Posted by Loud on 01/31/06 at 08:43 PM from United States

Those fuckheads....

Posted by Loud on 01/31/06 at 08:44 PM from United States

(talking about the Dems standing and clapping when he said they rejected SocSec reform)

Posted by Miguelito on 01/31/06 at 08:44 PM from United States

joeloud…
you mean the dem’s applauding for not saving SS?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:45 PM from United States

cindy who? you mean shes still relevant??

jumping jesus on a pogo stick! is there any way we can deport her somewhere? like greenland? she has a face everyone can be ashamed of!

Posted by Bunkergurl on 01/31/06 at 08:47 PM from United States

I hear there’s a commie in S. America who thinks she’s hot.

Posted by Loud on 01/31/06 at 08:48 PM from United States

Yeah, miguelito. Thank you, DFL, for protecting us from ourselves. Fucking asshats.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:49 PM from United States

Ya nuclear energy! Seriously, that shit is better than anything else we currently have.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:49 PM from United States

Mmmmmm.....nu-cu-lar energy........

Posted by Loud on 01/31/06 at 08:50 PM from United States

Oh shit… we invaded Iraq for the oil and now we’re going to switch to other forms of energy??  I think I heard a liberal’s head explode.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:51 PM from United States

On SS Reform, W should’ve said “Congress let the people down” instead.. why give the dems their own applause/rallying line??

Posted by Lee on 01/31/06 at 08:52 PM from United States

So, do you guys get the title to this post?  I thought it was purty durn nucular funny…

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:52 PM from United States

Just don’t let Teddy Kennedy write the bill......

Posted by Drumwaster on 01/31/06 at 08:53 PM from United States

So, do you guys get the title to this post?

So have you gotten hit with the bat yet?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:55 PM from United States

So, do you guys get the title to this post?

I’m drawing blanks.

Posted by Loud on 01/31/06 at 08:55 PM from United States

Sorry, it went over my head, Lee.  Essplain…

Posted by HARLEY on 01/31/06 at 08:55 PM from United States

as in the old eddie Murphy song ?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:55 PM from United States

Major League?

Posted by Drumwaster on 01/31/06 at 08:55 PM from United States

why give the dems their own applause/rallying line??

Because the nation saw them do it.

When elections roll around, all the GOP has to do is pound that SocSec drum, and Dems are gonna get it right in the back of the neck, because they were GLEEFUL about preventing a solution.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:56 PM from United States

It was up your butt Jobu, Right?

Posted by Loud on 01/31/06 at 08:56 PM from United States

good call, drum

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:57 PM from United States

Sheehan Arrested

Posted by Drumwaster on 01/31/06 at 08:58 PM from United States

good call, drum

{polishes fingernails on vest}

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 08:58 PM from United States

So we shouldn’t discard human embryos but we shouldn’t do stem cell research? WTF?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:01 PM from United States

So the Dems don’t stand for AIDS treatment? Heartless fucks.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:02 PM from United States

Amazing that the Dems can’t control themselves on the reaction shots…

... Shrillary when President Bush mentioned President Clinton.  She obviously can’t stand the sound of her own husband’s name.

... Sen. Chris Dodd… smiling about the delay in the Patriot Act.

... Charlie Rangel… refusing to stand, when even all his other liberal hacks stand.

... and then there is Lurch himself.  Hey, is that a ski tan, Sen. Kerry?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:03 PM from United States

Strong finish. Uplifting message. Good.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:04 PM from United States

… and then there is Lurch himself.  Hey, is that a ski tan, Sen. Kerry?

Maybe it’s a goose hunting tan.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:04 PM from United States

Did Lurch stand at all?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:05 PM from United States

I missed the first half hour but I got it on TiVo. Did I miss any bombshells?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:05 PM from United States

Not a bad speech overall. Good stuff on Iran.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:06 PM from United States

... and of course Shrillary shaking her head and smirking when President Bush said “and not wait to get hit again!” Bee-atch.

Posted by Loud on 01/31/06 at 09:07 PM from United States

he did, Gripe, (you are talking about Kerry, right?) at least once I saw he was standing with the camera directly on him and the lady next to him who I recognized, but can’t remember her name…

Posted by Bunkergurl on 01/31/06 at 09:07 PM from United States

Well Gripe, you missed the Cindy Sheehan smack down…

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:10 PM from United States

Gripeboy - the first half hour was the best.  No bombshells, though.

Badman is right - good stuff on Iran.  And a good message to Hamas as well, all in the first half hour.

Posted by Lee on 01/31/06 at 09:11 PM from United States

Not a bad speech.  Not great, not what you’d call memorable, but not bad at all.  Made some good points.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:15 PM from United States

Well, I’ll have to be sure to watch the first half then.

Cindy Sheehan. Ha! Stupid bitch.

Posted by Akula on 01/31/06 at 09:17 PM from United States

OT: A&E;is running a feature on Flight 93.

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 01/31/06 at 09:19 PM from United States

It was strong against isolationism and defeatism-a challenge to his critics on both the left and the far right. Pat Buchanan probably wept through those parts of it.On domestic issues it probably wasn’t as good. Still, this was Bush running on all cylinders.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:21 PM from United States

Since when did Democrats become the party of fiscal responsiblity?  Oh yeah, since Bush started spending worse than democrats.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:24 PM from United States

My issues with Bush:

He mentioned politics as a 2 party system, as if 3rd parties don’t exist.  For that I want to slap him.

He made a bunch of pithy quotes about freedom such as “we love our freedom and we will fight to keep it” and “liberty is the right and hope of all humanity” but apparently people with alternate lifestyles (recreational drug users, gay people etc.) don’t count.

He also linked drug trafficking with human slave trafficking. and seemed to imply that the PATRIOT act could also be used to fight the war on drugs (something which I don’t think we should be fighting in the first place). 

I wish I could take back my votes for Bush.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:25 PM from United States

Heh! It’s funny ‘cuz it’s true.

Posted by HARLEY on 01/31/06 at 09:25 PM from United States

Why cant Bush be like this all the time? i mean WTF? ....

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:26 PM from United States

What is this hang up with fags and weed? I guess I really better watch that first half!

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:27 PM from United States

The Democratic Response is tough to watch… let me rephrase… painful!  Gov. Kaine is scary looking… what is up with that eyebrow thing?

So, this is what the Dems have to offer? A stupid catchphrase - “There’s a better way!”

Oh, puh-lease.

Hand gesture much?  A tell-tale sign that you don’t think people are listening to what you are saying.  Better emphasize it for us Gov-nah!

There’s a better way!

P-shaw!

And all this “let us pray” b.s.?  Ugh!

“Together… America can do better!”

What an uplifting ending!

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:28 PM from United States

Harley - he is like this all the time.  He thinks this way, anyway.  He just doesn’t always have a pre-written speech in front of him, unfortunately......

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:29 PM from United States

Tom Oliphant: “Huge deficits due to huge tax cuts.”

It couldn’t have anything to do with the spending. Ass.

And what’s with the bowtie. Sorry, I don’t trust anyone with a bowtie.

Posted by mikeguas on 01/31/06 at 09:29 PM from United States

Too bad they arrested that idiot. Let her get out of hand first. All this will do is give the lefties an argument that the last place for free speech is in the capitol building. Let her make an ass of herself, and then kick her out, but no arrest.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:29 PM from United States

The Democratic Response is tough to watch

I actually find them quite amusing and entertaining to watch.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:31 PM from United States

I wish I could take back my votes for Bush.

So, take them back.  Wouldn’t change anything, anyway.....

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:32 PM from United States

Gripeboy - what did he say about fags? I must have missed that part?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:33 PM from United States

My first impression of the govornor of virginia is that he looked fake as hell.  Yes, the eyebrows were scary.  He started out playing the religion card which seemed unbecoming for a democrat.  That’s something only the religious right is supposed to do.  He mentioned essential services in virginia, education, something I missed, and law enforcement.  You know republican spending is out of control when you believe that democrats might actually be more fiscally responsible.  Later he rattled of a big list of ways that he thinks government should be doing things right (where they apparently aren’t now) forcing me to wonder if they would be more fiscally responsive afterall.

I guess I’m going to have to stick with the supposedly non-existent third parties.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:34 PM from United States

"Too bad they arrested that idiot. Let her get out of hand first. All this will do is give the lefties an argument that the last place for free speech is in the capitol building. Let her make an ass of herself, and then kick her out, but no arrest.”

They didn’t arrest her, they just detained her.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:35 PM from United States

They didn’t arrest her, they just detained her.

Why?  Has anyone heard why?  Hope it’s good.  And legit.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:37 PM from United States

Idiot tried to unfurl a banner. Will the bitch ever realize it’s not always about her?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:37 PM from United States

They detained her for breaking house rules essentially.  The visitor-type area she was invited to has rules against demonstrating.  It’s meant for observing.  There are other places for demonstrating.  She had some kind of shirt on and was pulling out some sort of flag/banner… she refused to cooperate and follow the rules.  Something like that.

“So, take them back.  Wouldn’t change anything, anyway.....”

So you don’t believe votes are important?  I guess you don’t vote then…

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:40 PM from United States

david, is butt fucking on weed your highest priority?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:40 PM from United States

Will the bitch ever realize it’s not always about her?

Doubtful.  If she ever does, it will destroy her and her world.  And I won’t loose a bit of sleep over it, except for pity for her husband and two children.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:42 PM from United States

Sounds like Sheehan should have been outside with her pots and pans banging friends.....

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:44 PM from United States

I do vote, david.  Every time.  But I don’t think your one vote would have changed the results.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 09:45 PM from United States

So, david, I am saying - if you regret the way you voted - take it back.  But, reality is, Bush will still have won.

Posted by mikeguas on 01/31/06 at 09:47 PM from United States

Congress did not act last year on my proposal to save Social Security, yet the rising cost of entitlements is a problem that is not going away—and with every year we fail to act, the situation gets worse. So tonight, I ask you to join me in creating a commission to examine the full impact of Baby Boom retirements on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

The Republican Congress you mean? Not to mention Bush didn’t put much energy into this either. Save this statement for next year. You’ll hear it again. There is now supposedly a conservative dominance in all branches in our government. Fuck the Dems, and start pushing a GOP agenda. They are not your friends; they will not cooperate, so start fighting. Then negotiate later if necessary.

So tonight, I announce the Advanced Energy Initiative—a 22-percent increase in clean-energy research at the Department of Energy

More government spending is not the way. What special company gets the benefits of this research on the tax payer dime, or is the government now going to be our energy source and automaker?

Our government has a responsibility to help provide health care for the poor and the elderly, and we are meeting that responsibility.

Yeah, get the government the fuck out of the way. Instead of a huge Socialist bill you pushed last time. Open competition, and let the private insurance companies that actually pay doctors and hospitals, as opposed to the goverment who has been defaulting heavily since the late 90’s. Anything else you’d like to add FDR?

I know maybe I’m a little on the deep end when it comes to a free market. Most people aren’t as extreme as I am, but come on. This is Democrat lite. Jesus Christ. Come out swinging for less government, not just growing it at a slower pace.

Fuck.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 10:04 PM from United States

"david, is butt fucking on weed your highest priority?”

It’s called personal freedom.  The government needs to get out of our personal lives and stop interfering in matters that don’t concern it.  Don’t be an asshole.  And I’m straight by the way.  Voting selfishly isn’t a requirement you know.

“So, david, I am saying - if you regret the way you voted - take it back.  But, reality is, Bush will still have won.”

Not if everyone who voted for Bush for the reasons I did took it back…

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 10:10 PM from United States

What is the deal with Nancy Pelosi? She’s got this extreme excitement, irritated, total frightened way of talking about her hate for the President. Did she have a mother?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 10:12 PM from United States

Andrea Mitchell (NBC) just said that our military is *so strained*, any military action against Iran would be totally out of the question. Even if true, wouldn’t this be top secret and a dangerous thing to tell our enemies? Are these people even on our side?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 10:16 PM from United States

Not if everyone who voted for Bush for the reasons I did took it back…

Do you presume to speak for everyone?  And where does your vote go?  To Lurch?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 10:25 PM from United States

What is the deal with Nancy Pelosi? She’s got this extreme excitement, irritated, total frightened way of talking about her hate for the President. Did she have a mother?

Are you referring to her way of speaking, or her facial expression?  I think that “frightened” expression is pretty much constant, caused by two many plastic surgeries.

Posted by mikeguas on 01/31/06 at 10:29 PM from United States

Abroad, our nation is committed to an historic, long-term goal—we seek the end of tyranny in our world. Some dismiss that goal as misguided idealism.

Absolutely a bad idea. You want to make it clear that if a country hits us, then we’ll knock them off the planet, then fine. Getting our noses in every little event is the worst thing we could ever do. Think about it folks. You don’t want the Federal government in your house to make your life better. Don’t think the rest of the world wants it either. Even if it means that the Federal government could make your life better by controlling some of your choices or removing some of the things that might not be the best thing for you. We do have an obligation to ourselves to get the leaders of Al Qaeda, and make it clear that attacking us isn’t worth it, but we don’t need to be the world police.

There was a much better George that once said we should avoid foreign entanglements. I’ll stick with that George.

Posted by Akula on 01/31/06 at 10:29 PM from United States

This flight 93 thing on A&E;makes me want slam Osama in the face with a beer can.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 10:32 PM from United States

Why does the media always talk about Sheehan as if she single-handedly started the anti-war movement?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 10:39 PM from United States

This flight 93 thing on A&E;makes me want slam Osama in the face with a beer can.

Thankfully it wasn’t some Oliver Stone-type conspiracy flick.

Go here for my opinion on the movie.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/22acaciaave

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 10:39 PM from United States

"Do you presume to speak for everyone?  And where does your vote go?  To Lurch?”

Of course not.  I just tend to think that the reasons we vote for a particular candidate are not all that complex.  And if circumstances had caused me to vote differently, they probably would have caused at least thousands of others to do the same.

As for Lurch… I probably would have had to stay home :P

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 10:39 PM from United States

The Flight 93 movie was wrenching.  Really really good.  Its a crime that big hollywood is releasing anti american crap like Syrianna, while the flight 93 story is relegated to made for TV cable.

Posted by West Virginia Rebel on 01/31/06 at 10:40 PM from United States

Section8: Bush was right. Isolationism is not the answer.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 10:49 PM from United States

The Flight 93 movie was wrenching.  Really really good.  Its a crime that big hollywood is releasing anti american crap like Syrianna, while the flight 93 story is relegated to made for TV cable.

As my wife and I started watching her I told her it would be hard for me to watch.  It was, but I’m glad I watched it.  I certainly had to break out the kleenex, though.

Posted by mikeguas on 01/31/06 at 10:51 PM from United States

Section8: Bush was right. Isolationism is not the answer.

Fighting a country that has declared war, or has attacked is one thing (WWII). Going after any country that might give us the evil eye is another. There are asshole dictators, and there are assholes that were elected (see Hamas). So which is it. Do we just go after dictators, or democratically elected assholes as well? How long before the only one doing the bombing is us? Speak softly but carry a big stick, but don’t threaten the entire fucking world. It’s just stupid. The Founding Fathers never intended this. EVER. We need to stay in Iraq, but that whole war was a UN issue which we should have never been part of in first place. Although I wasn’t a big fan, we felt we had an obligation, and I agree to a point, to cleanup the UN’s incompetence. Now let’s get the fuck out of the UN. Fight wars only when were are in eminent danger or have been attacked. We are a noble country and will try to do the right thing, but we are not the Roman Empire, and it’s not something we should try to be in the name of safety or anything else.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 10:53 PM from United States

RepMon - good point, I did see that on TV. Still, I choke on my nachos every time I hear her say mah-JAR-I-ty the same way robots would.

Are you referring to her way of speaking, or her facial expression?

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 11:00 PM from United States

davidst - I’m glad to hear that you wouldn’t have voted for Kerry.  :)

Posted by Nethicus on 01/31/06 at 11:00 PM from United States

Iran’s doing wonders for a combined military action against it.  Now they’re being dragged in front of the UN Sec Council (I know, bfd, it doesn’t do shit anyway), but the IAEA revealed that Iran sought a method to make hemispheric (aka bomb-load) uranium.  So anyone who thinks Iran is after nuke power for energy has pretty much been contradicted by the IAEA.

As it wasn’t the US pushing this, odds are the UNSC will vote towards sanctions, and if military action is called for, then a multilateral action would be easier to assemble.

Iran’s been warning the West they are going to halt oil shipments if there are sanctions.  I say-- fine.  Let’s drop some commando units into Iran to seize the oil pipelines, then start bombing the hell out of them.  Keep the oil flowing while the world kicks the crap out of Iran.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 11:02 PM from United States

Those of you talking about the “Flight 93” movie - I’m pleased to hear that it was done well.  I was against it being made - it seemed too soon.

Posted by mikeguas on 01/31/06 at 11:08 PM from United States

Isn’t that shitbag Oliver Stone making an 9/11 movie? I wouldn’t be surprised if he makes it out as though the towers attacked the terrorists.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 11:10 PM from United States

Those of you talking about the “Flight 93” movie - I’m pleased to hear that it was done well.  I was against it being made - it seemed too soon.

It was done very tastefully.  No PC bullshit either.  All the terrorist were, well, Muslim.  Praying and God were even mentioned by the passengers.  No wonder there was only one hollywood actor I recognised in the whole movie (keep in mind that my wife and I have enough movies to fill a small video store).

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 11:11 PM from United States

Isn’t that shitbag Oliver Stone making an 9/11 movie? I wouldn’t be surprised if he makes it out as though the towers attacked the terrorists.

Apparently it’s about a fire fighter or police officer and based on a true story, so no doubt it’ll turn into some conspiracy flick with absolutely no truth to it.

Posted by mikeguas on 01/31/06 at 11:39 PM from United States

Tonight I propose to train 70,000 high school teachers, to lead advanced-placement courses in math and science ... bring 30,000 math and science professionals to teach in classrooms ... and give early help to students who struggle with math, so they have a better chance at good, high-wage jobs. If we ensure that America’s children succeed in life, they will ensure that America succeeds in the world.

I guess the fight for private schools is over too. Bush proposes to train 70,000 teachers. I hope it’s not personally. I can see it now. If you add a dollar and a quarter together what do you get? Uh, six hundred trillion dollars? Good, you’ve passed.  Maybe I’m just a little bitter tonight, and being a little too critical, but I’ve waited a long time (a lifetime) to see a Republican dominated government to end our march to a Socialist country, and not only have we not turned around, we are not even slowing down. Have some balls. At least put up a good fight for a free market society. Why not just point out the schools are shit, billions have been wasted, and in the word of the Virginia governor, there is a better way.

Posted by on 01/31/06 at 11:51 PM from United States

The best postgame coverage was when Chris Matthews ribbed Tucker Carlson and Pat Buchannon for not jumping in once an idea popped into their heads. It’s like he accuses them of withholding information.

Then some other lefty guest adds, “The one thing I admire about Bush is he has a strong idea, and speaks for the party on the topic of ....”

“Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with that totally!”, Chris Matthews jumps in to totally smother the point.

Tucker and Pat both apparently realize how stupid it is for 3 people on TV to talk simultaneously.

Posted by Brian at Tomfoolery on 02/01/06 at 12:17 AM from United States

I loved that the Democrats applauded themselves for doing nothing about Social Security.  That showed the state of the Dems today, do nothing and be proud of it.

Posted by on 02/01/06 at 12:48 AM from United States

"davidst - I’m glad to hear that you wouldn’t have voted for Kerry.  :)”

At this point in that situation, I’d have voted for badnarik.  If they let him on the ballot :(

What I’d really like to see is three dominant parties in this country instead of two.

Posted by on 02/01/06 at 12:53 AM from United States

Btw, my clarification about sheehan was wrong.  They did in deed arrest her and charge her with a few misdemeanors according to reports I’m now reading.

I guess that’s what I get for trusting fox news.

http://www.nbc4.com/news/6639134/detail.html

Posted by Loud on 02/01/06 at 01:20 AM from United States

I don’t get it.  Why are there still people who think a three party system is a good idea?  Here, I’ll explain it again.  Say we had Republicans, Democrats and Libertarians all as recognized political parties.  An election comes around and the Rep. gets 32% of the vote and the Dem. gets 33% of the vote and the Lib. gets 35% of the vote… the Libertarian candidate wins, but 65% of the voters didn’t want that candidate.  It’s reeeally simple arithmetic.  I know, percentages are hard an’ shit, especially when you’re recreationally smoked-up, man.

Posted by mikeguas on 02/01/06 at 01:26 AM from United States

An election comes around and the Rep. gets 32% of the vote and the Dem. gets 33% of the vote and the Lib. gets 35% of the vote… the Libertarian candidate wins, but 65% of the voters didn’t want that candidate.  It’s reeeally simple arithmetic.  I know, percentages are hard an’ shit, especially when you’re recreationally smoked-up, man.

It also means that 67% didn’t want the Dems, and that 68% didn’t want the other party that doesn’t even know what the fuck it stands for these days. I don’t get your point at all. I guess you’re saying that more people should just have to vote for a party that they don’t like, but think it’s less evil than the other so that the percentage is higher.

Posted by Loud on 02/01/06 at 04:13 AM from United States

Good point, but my point is simply about having an actual majority rather than a plurality.  I just don’t see a three-or-more party system being that much better than a two party system.  Granted, I’m also not a fan of either of the two parties we have.  I had an idea about having a primary that decides the two parties that run, but that’ll never happen.

Posted by Poosh on 02/01/06 at 06:38 AM from United Kingdom

He mentioned politics as a 2 party system, as if 3rd parties don’t exist.  For that I want to slap him.

dat because you is retarded?

Posted by on 02/01/06 at 09:02 AM from Canada

Why are there still people who think a three party system is a good idea?

They forget two words:

Salvador Allende

Posted by on 02/01/06 at 09:33 AM from United States

Lee- I tried several times last night to post comments and I couldn’t.  I got the message that said I didn’t have the right no post (or something to that effect).  I tried logging out and in again, but nothing seemed to work.  I never have that problem here at work and in fact am always logged on.  I have had this problem only at home.  Can you or anyone give me any ideas why that happened?  Remember I am not a computer genius.

I thought the speech was pretty good overall and the donks, as usual, looked pathetic.

Posted by Poosh on 02/01/06 at 09:35 AM from United Kingdom

It’s healthy to have more than two parties but at the end of the day you will always have two parties - the Republicans and Democrats are huge parties which are home to a host of different ideas and beliefs. You have to be open to a lot in order to get into power.

Posted by Mister Minit on 02/01/06 at 09:46 AM from Europe

Why are there still people who think a three party system is a good idea?

One thing that I hate about American politics is that you are either left or right, liberal or conservative.

There are many Democrats right now that are calling for a withdrawel from Iraq for (as far as I can tell anyway) no other reason than to score a political blow against the Bush administration.

In polarised America, hurting the political enemy becomes more important than sensible policy.

In the UK we are less extreme in this respect, and this could be because of the 3 party system nullifying the either-or mentality.

(I’m no professing any expertise in the areas I have just discussed, and welcome any disagreement anyone may have)

Posted by on 02/01/06 at 09:51 AM from United States

Don’t fool yourself into thinking that all Dems and Pubs fall into neat little categories. Just because you have two parties doesn’t mean everyone is happy with their choices for president.

We used to have more active third parties. It wan’t always the Democrats and Republicans. It doesn’t have to always be that way. There isn’t anything in the COTUS that requires there to only be two parties. Quite the contrary actually. It just so happens that two parties have a stranglehold on our political process.

Of course, if you’re not capable of seeing shades of gray then perhaps you’ll never be comfortable with anything that doesn’t break down neatly into easily consumed, black and white chucks.

Posted by mikeguas on 02/01/06 at 10:57 PM from United States

Right out of the gate Alito sides with the libs on a stay of execution. Apparently the issue that the murdering shitbag has problem with is lethal injection, not that he’s somehow innocent. I’d say unfucking believable, but this weak shit coming from the right is all too typical these days.

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